Bahrain GP situation: postponed, reinstated, cancelled

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Race in Bahrain?

Yes.
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29%
Don't care either way.
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8%
No.
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63%
 
Total votes: 93

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The Porsche story is more worrying. If it is genuinely due to security fears then F1 should be re-evaluating the situation. If it is a cynical attempt by Porsche to generate some favourable publicity then they should be heavily criticised. If it is just the personnel feeling uneasy and not wanting to be there any more, then whilst that is understandable it has no bearing on the actual security of anyone at the race.

Given that they do not mention any specific concerns it is impossible to judge either way.

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I'm leaving now for a 400 mile drive to Germany to visit the in-laws, but I'm enjoying the discussion and will check in when I get there to try and catch up with everything. Hope we can all continue to play nice!!

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Well Porsche have pulled out of the road car market in Iran, so the Bahrain race ordeal is nothing compared to that. Although it does send a similar message.
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Force India truck caught by a fire bomb:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/17767985

This race should not be going ahead...
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The race must go on.
Or was it "the show".
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It is a mess eh?
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myurr wrote:@WhiteBlue - the point I was trying to make is that it isn't as straight forward as you make out.
The point I'm making is that you are off topic and we have discussed the points we agreed to visit. You mention Iraq. We could be spending hundreds of pages discussing that. I'm not going to. I could mention the Tuareg state which is finally coming into existence due to the Arab spring. There are many different cases with good or bad outcome. The point is that the people are entitled to self determine what they want and we have no right to second guess if they are capable or going in the right direction.

IMO for the purpose of this discussion the relevant points are:
  • Should F1 call off a race because the political neutrality is violated by the promoter?
  • Should F1 call off a race due to security problems by revolutionaries?
I have made my view clear that on both points separately and particularly if viewed combined the race should have been called off. Todt decided differently and we have discussed the reasons as far as they are known to the public. We can now decide what we will individually do about it.

I shall monitor the situation and stay in the discussion loop about anything that is relevant to the topic. I shall also watch the sessions as I always do. As my opinion about the neutrality and duty to keep F1 safe is not shared by FiA and FOM I have no power to change anything. I just hope that all stay safe. If the revolutionaries find a non violent way to block the race they will have my approval. I will gladly miss the race if it helps their just cause.
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Just_a_fan wrote:Force India truck caught by a fire bomb:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/17767985

This race should not be going ahead...
BBC has taken the news down...wow what ever happened to democracy, freedom of press?
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Hail22 wrote:
Just_a_fan wrote:Force India truck caught by a fire bomb:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/17767985

This race should not be going ahead...
BBC has taken the news down...wow what ever happened to democracy, freedom of press?
I can still see it. I copy it here for safe keeping:
Force India team members were caught up in a petrol bomb incident as they returned from the Bahrain Grand Prix track.

The four mechanics in a hire car were stuck in a traffic jam while the incident was taking place on Wednesday.

No Force India staff were hurt but one team member not present at the time has been allowed to return to the UK.

Bahrain circuit chairman Zayed R Alzayani said: "They weren't targeted. They just happened to be there."
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He added: "I think it's unfortunate. It's an issue of timing. It could happen in any place in the world really, getting caught up in a riot or a fight or anything."

Alzayani said there would "probably" be more violence, adding: "I can't comment on the degree of violence, whether it will be more or not - I don't have that kind of information. I don't think they will be within the track or close to the track, and I think they will be handled in the right way."

Alzayani said his advice to fans was "be vigilant".

"I would give them advice to enjoy the weekend," he said. "Don't be too worried and too distracted not to enjoy the weekend."

The four mechanics involved will continue with their duties for the rest of the weekend. They were not wearing team kit and the car was unbranded. Force India has not given any extra security advice to its staff following the incident.

The attack took place around 20 minutes from the circuit on the outskirts of the capital Manama.

It came at the end of the first day of work for teams in Bahrain, where they have travelled for this weekend's race following assurances from the country's authorities and F1's governing body the FIA that the Gulf state is completely safe.

Teams and drivers are known to have private misgivings about the wisdom of racing in Bahrain amid ongoing civil unrest, but none has so far publicly questioned the decision.

Anti-government protests in Bahrain caused the 2011 race to be called off, and a number of teams expected a similar outcome for this year's race amid security concerns.

The Gulf Kingdom's ruling royal family are being pressured to improve human rights and make reforms by the majority Shia population, who accuse the minority ruling Sunnis of discrimination.

On Sunday, the FIA said it was "satisfied that all the proper security measures are in place for the running of a Formula 1 world championship event", and the race will go ahead.

However, with practice in Sakhir due to start on Friday, protests have continued in Manama.
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So much for a security bubble for the teams. A petrol bomb landed near a car carrying Force India mechanics. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/17767985

The comment from the race organiser is worrying as it infers petrol bombs are a daily part of life on the roads from the hotel area to the circuit.
Bahrain International Circuit chairman Zayed R Alzayani said: "The protesters were not targeting the cars, they just happened to be there.
....

As for the “unification” campaign, that’s only valid if the repressed Shia have an opportunity to join in. F1 is an exclusive sport and attendance tends to be limited to the wealthy and influential, ie Sunni. So the idea of the Shia putting differences aside for F1 is a bit like Apartheid rulers asking ANC to stop complaining as it would interrupt the cricket. Marie Antoinette and cake also springs to mind. My view is the "Unification" campaign is a rather patronising.

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Hail22 wrote:BBC has taken the news down...wow what ever happened to democracy, freedom of press?
I can see it. So perhaps this is a case of user error? Why do people leap to conspiracy theories ahead of applying a little pragmatism? #-o

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The protesters only serve to turn their reputation to that of "do what we want or we'll f**k you up" terrorists if this is how they plan to get their message across.

Their cause has garnered massive media attention, just because it's F1 they're protesting against.

Once they chase everyone out who could possible help them share their message through media, who will they have left to throw their weight against and how does it make them any different than a dictator who will refuse to hear any compromise and attacks innocents when their demands are not met?

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richard_leeds wrote:
Hail22 wrote:BBC has taken the news down...wow what ever happened to democracy, freedom of press?
I can see it. So perhaps this is a case of user error? Why do people leap to conspiracy theories ahead of applying a little pragmatism? #-o
Lol sorry, long day and very tired. >.<


Hey this is like what the Bahrain Government are like, deny everything blame everyone else a part from themselves xD

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXl1GkWWGmA[/youtube]
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Hope they have a 1 lap or a 6 car race on sunday