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[westech]

Sam Michael has confirmed that Mclaren have 2 versions of DDRS in development. Will we see them at Spa/Monza?

2? i heard they might have 1...?

Mclaren have been working on this double DDRS for some time, what's not clear is what kind of benefit will it bring to the car? that's why they are testing it, macca want 's it to be 100% before they bolt it on the car. Look at mercedes theirs is not working the way they want it to work, its messing up the car, lotus too is no 100% , so mclaren has to be sure that it will produce the benefit they are looking for or else it will slow down the car.

[turbof1]

Sam Michael has confirmed that Mclaren have 2 versions of DDRS in development. Will we see them at Spa/Monza?

2? i heard they might have 1...?

they dont have either one, but they have in plan some similar device, but nothing like mercedes or lotus system. they commented that their enginers testing in cfd, wind tunnel if such system having benefit for using in race. but sure it's too early to say will they devolop such device, because it's not something what you can easly put on the car such new front wing or rear wing. it takes time, even if spa is 5 weeks away, it not they can devolop such system and race immedialty with him (reffering on lotus system testing on 2 grand prix before).

We don't know how long they have been developing it and in which stage it currently is, but with the summer break coming up they will have 1 more week to complete it and to produce the parts. Not alot of time. However, such a system could be very benificial for Spa and Monza.

Sam Michael has confirmed that Mclaren have 2 versions of DDRS in development. Will we see them at Spa/Monza?

2? i heard they might have 1...?

Mclaren have been working on this double DDRS for some time, what's not clear is what kind of benefit will it bring to the car? that's why they are testing it, macca want 's it to be 100% before they bolt it on the car. Look at mercedes theirs is not working the way they want it to work, its messing up the car, lotus too is no 100% , so mclaren has to be sure that it will produce the benefit they are looking for or else it will slow down the car.

Well obviously it will bring the possibility to shed downforce, giving the ability to add more downforce without having the added drag.

[westech]

Can scarbs draw us, or give us an idea, or what mclaren might come up with. :

[westech]

Can scarbs draw us, or give us an idea, or what mclaren might come up with. :

[beelsebob]

they dont have either one, but they have in plan some similar device, but nothing like mercedes or lotus system. they commented that their enginers testing in cfd, wind tunnel if such system having benefit for using in race. but sure it's too early to say will they devolop such device, because it's not something what you can easly put on the car such new front wing or rear wing. it takes time, even if spa is 5 weeks away, it not they can devolop such system and race immedialty with him (reffering on lotus system testing on 2 grand prix before).

We don't know how long they have been developing it and in which stage it currently is, but with the summer break coming up they will have 1 more week to complete it and to produce the parts. Not alot of time. However, such a system could be very benificial for Spa and Monza.

1 more week? There's a 5 week break, they're holidaying for the first 2... That's 3 of pure development after that.

[Neno]

they dont have either one, but they have in plan some similar device, but nothing like mercedes or lotus system. they commented that their enginers testing in cfd, wind tunnel if such system having benefit for using in race. but sure it's too early to say will they devolop such device, because it's not something what you can easly put on the car such new front wing or rear wing. it takes time, even if spa is 5 weeks away, it not they can devolop such system and race immedialty with him (reffering on lotus system testing on 2 grand prix before).

We don't know how long they have been developing it and in which stage it currently is, but with the summer break coming up they will have 1 more week to complete it and to produce the parts. Not alot of time. However, such a system could be very benificial for Spa and Monza.

1 more week? There's a 5 week break, they're holidaying for the first 2... That's 3 of pure development after that.

if you in 3 weeks of your "pure devolopment" expect mclaren with their device in Spa you are then some kind of idiot, no offense its not possible IMHO even if they are devoloping it. lotus needed almost half of season, to introduce their system, in that time they traded their straight line test for wind tunnel tests, carefull read rules, and asked FIA in february about such system, they probably from begging of season started working on mercedes similar idea, also they need first to test on track if system working (but will system work constantly or not?). and now you expect in your PURE devolopment that mclaren will come out with similar system, make system with car in one test session, and will gloriously work

[turbof1]

they dont have either one, but they have in plan some similar device, but nothing like mercedes or lotus system. they commented that their enginers testing in cfd, wind tunnel if such system having benefit for using in race. but sure it's too early to say will they devolop such device, because it's not something what you can easly put on the car such new front wing or rear wing. it takes time, even if spa is 5 weeks away, it not they can devolop such system and race immedialty with him (reffering on lotus system testing on 2 grand prix before).

We don't know how long they have been developing it and in which stage it currently is, but with the summer break coming up they will have 1 more week to complete it and to produce the parts. Not alot of time. However, such a system could be very benificial for Spa and Monza.

1 more week? There's a 5 week break, they're holidaying for the first 2... That's 3 of pure development after that.

Each team has to close their plants for 3 weeks. As this week is almost done, I'm not counting it in anymore. So that's one week left for it. Obviously, all new parts they intent to bring to Spa have been developed and probably some of them are already manufactured.
I'm not going to take as an agressive stance as Neno, you can develop smill bits and pieces within 3 weeks, but a full working DRS would indeed take atleast a couple of months. Again we absolutely do not know how long McLaren has been working on it. It would be best to introduce it on Spa, McLaren knows that too. If they started early enough you will get to see it there. If not, they probably wont get it in time for Italy and in Singapore it would give little advantage. The next best circuit would be Suzuka.

It is possible to get it right from the first practice. Back in 2010 Renault came to Spa with their own f-duct and got it inmediately working.

EDIT: I have to correct myself; they only need to close the plant for 2 weeks, not 3. So yeah, they have 2 weeks to work on updates.

[beelsebob]

1 more week? There's a 5 week break, they're holidaying for the first 2... That's 3 of pure development after that.

Each team has to close their plants for 3 weeks.

Incorrect, 2 weeks.

As this week is almost done, I'm not counting it in anymore.

Why not? McLaren have been closed this week... That's only 1 week of closure remaining, then 3 weeks of time they can work.

[beelsebob]

if you in 3 weeks of your "pure devolopment" expect mclaren with their device in Spa you are then some kind of idiot, no offense its not possible IMHO even if they are devoloping it. lotus needed almost half of season, to introduce their system, in that time they traded their straight line test for wind tunnel tests, carefull read rules, and asked FIA in february about such system, they probably from begging of season started working on mercedes similar idea, also they need first to test on track if system working (but will system work constantly or not?). and now you expect in your PURE devolopment that mclaren will come out with similar system, make system with car in one test session, and will gloriously work

Uhhh, pardon? What made you think I implied that they could develop the system in 3 weeks? What made you think McLaren have not been developing any upgrades they're going to put on their car in Spa for months? What made you think I implied anything other than there is 3 weeks of development time remaining before spa?

[Neno]

Yes, you said yourself that Mclaren will have such system in Spa and race with Good for them then, it would be great for championship, but you said that mclaren will make same job until Spa (even if factory are closed) what lotus made in half season.

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Why not? McLaren have been closed this week... That's only 1 week of closure remaining, then 3 weeks of time they can work

[ianwit]

There's nothing to stop suppliers working during the shut down is there?

[beelsebob]

Yes, you said yourself that Mclaren will have such system in Spa and race with Good for them then, it would be great for championship, but you said that mclaren will make same job until Spa (even if factory are closed) what lotus made in half season.

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Why not? McLaren have been closed this week... That's only 1 week of closure remaining, then 3 weeks of time they can work

Uhhh, you really haven't answered any of my questions...
1) *I* did not say McLaren would turn up with it, I said they had 3 weeks more work before the next race.
2) You seem to be insistent on the assumption that McLaren have not been working on such a system before this week, let alone before seeing Lotus' system, why is this?

[Neno]

Yes, you said yourself that Mclaren will have such system in Spa and race with Good for them then, it would be great for championship, but you said that mclaren will make same job until Spa (even if factory are closed) what lotus made in half season.

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Why not? McLaren have been closed this week... That's only 1 week of closure remaining, then 3 weeks of time they can work

Uhhh, you really haven't answered any of my questions...
1) *I* did not say McLaren would turn up with it, I said they had 3 weeks more work before the next race.
2) You seem to be insistent on the assumption that McLaren have not been working on such a system before this week, let alone before seeing Lotus' system, why is this?

1. from your post it sounded like they would sure turn up with it. again you comparing that in 3 weeks work will have something what lotus needed 5 months at least.
2. we know that mclaren said they been working on similar system, but if you closely read article they said something in style, we testing with enginers in CFD, wind tunnel what performances can such system bring. they said nothing about bringing such system there, nothing about is in devolopment, even if they bring in some miracle system they will not race with him for sure (again in article said something like lotus was example that is not easy to put such system in car and will work 100% percent, they needed to test device on two previous GP). please dont make me to repeat myself again.

[westech]

Yes, you said yourself that Mclaren will have such system in Spa and race with Good for them then, it would be great for championship, but you said that mclaren will make same job until Spa (even if factory are closed) what lotus made in half season.

This:
Why not? McLaren have been closed this week... That's only 1 week of closure remaining, then 3 weeks of time they can work

Uhhh, you really haven't answered any of my questions...
1) *I* did not say McLaren would turn up with it, I said they had 3 weeks more work before the next race.
2) You seem to be insistent on the assumption that McLaren have not been working on such a system before this week, let alone before seeing Lotus' system, why is this?

1. from your post it sounded like they would sure turn up with it. again you comparing that in 3 weeks work will have something what lotus needed 5 months at least.
2. we know that mclaren said they been working on similar system, but if you closely read article they said something in style, we testing with enginers in CFD, wind tunnel what performances can such system bring. they said nothing about bringing such system there, nothing about is in devolopment, even if they bring in some miracle system they will not race with him for sure (again in article said something like lotus was example that is not easy to put such system in car and will work 100% percent, they needed to test device on two previous GP). please dont make me to repeat myself again.

Neno don't be dumb Those engineers have known this for a long time, once FIA dime it legal some teams have be working on this system since then it' believed that in contrast mclaren have this double DRS system, Who knew about the new nose? Sam michael hinted about it that means most likely it will be introduced at SPA , so trust me the development has been on going for some time.DDRS will be on the menu for SPA & monza.

[Jackles-UK]

I'm not so sure a DDRS will be on the car so soon if at all. I'm not entirely sure they'd need it.

McLaren haven't ever really been found wanting in terms of top level speed (Canada a few years back they brought the wrong 7th gear but thats about all) and in recent years have gone a slightly different way in their setups at low downforce tracks, running slightly higher downforce than the rest of the track and relying on the extra power the Merc engine appears to offer over the Renault/Ferrari units that power their rivals. Jenson putting it on the front row around Monza with what looked like a parachute of a rear wing in 2010 for example.

Not that it wouldn't give them any benefit at all, but surely it would be better to focus on improving areas of weakness rather than improving on areas they are already fairly strong in comparison?