Pirelli's motorsport director Paul Hembery has repeated at Korea that F1's sole tyre suppliers need to have more relevant tyre testing if it is to develop solid and reliable tyres for the 2014 season.
Amazing that Red Bull & Mercedes dont employ a single person capable of understanding what a tyre will do.beelsebob wrote:Heh, as I've said many times before, the "pirellottery" doesn't exist – only people who aren't capable of spotting patterns in tyre behaviour.
No, I think they do. Especially RBR, but RBR continue to make different sacrifices in the pursuit of ultimate race-time than Lotus. And on the face of it, although of course Lotus is up there, you'd have to say that RBR's choices by and large are working just fine.Jonnycraig wrote:Amazing that Red Bull & Mercedes dont employ a single person capable of understanding what a tyre will do.beelsebob wrote:Heh, as I've said many times before, the "pirellottery" doesn't exist – only people who aren't capable of spotting patterns in tyre behaviour.
Hmm? What makes you think that? I was referring to forum members who are incapable of seeing that there is a pattern to when each car performs well, both in 2012, and in 2013 (though the patterns for 2013 are only just becoming clear). RedBull and Merc have plenty of people who understand the tyres – they just understand them less well than Lotus at the moment.Jonnycraig wrote:Amazing that Red Bull & Mercedes dont employ a single person capable of understanding what a tyre will do.beelsebob wrote:Heh, as I've said many times before, the "pirellottery" doesn't exist – only people who aren't capable of spotting patterns in tyre behaviour.
That would be that there's a fault in the design of the Hard tyre, which is why Pirelli changed the design of the hard tyre, and none of the othersgilgen wrote:What is the pattern when Ferrari and Merc both suffer from unexplained delaminations? And remember, Ferrari were one of the teams who did not want changes.
Red Bull's pattern has changed completely. In 2012, they were untouchable on the soft & supersoft and much closer to Ferrari on the medium & hard. In 2013, so far they are comparatively nowhere over a stint on the soft & supersoft, but strong on the medium & hard.beelsebob wrote: Hmm? What makes you think that? I was referring to forum members who are incapable of seeing that there is a pattern to when each car performs well, both in 2012, and in 2013 (though the patterns for 2013 are only just becoming clear). RedBull and Merc have plenty of people who understand the tyres – they just understand them less well than Lotus at the moment.
If they understood them, they would be driving as fast on them as Lotus.Jonnycraig wrote:Red Bull's pattern has changed completely. In 2012, they were untouchable on the soft & supersoft and much closer to Ferrari on the medium & hard. In 2013, so far they are comparatively nowhere over a stint on the soft & supersoft, but strong on the medium & hard.beelsebob wrote: Hmm? What makes you think that? I was referring to forum members who are incapable of seeing that there is a pattern to when each car performs well, both in 2012, and in 2013 (though the patterns for 2013 are only just becoming clear). RedBull and Merc have plenty of people who understand the tyres – they just understand them less well than Lotus at the moment.
The reason for this change of fortunes could of course be as you speculate that they dont understand the tyres. Alternately it could be as reported by reputable media that they and Mercedes infact do understand the tyres but believe there is an inherent flaw in the construction of the 2013 tyres.
Redragon wrote:It is not a big change as BBC is reporting.
They only will change the hard compound with the especifications of the experimental tyre used on Brazil. That it was a Hard Tyre a bit softer than the one from 2012. They are not going back to the 2012 especifications.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/22290968
I am happy with that. They shouldn't change the compound at all. All the teams had same tyres at the beginning of the year and the development of the car it should be around them. If Redbull got it wrong, it is their own problem.
In order to win with 1 stop more, they effectively have to drive faster than Lotus, right? Which is what they did at Bahrain...beelsebob wrote:If they understood them, they would be driving as fast on them as Lotus.
So what you're saying is that they have nothing to moan about, good stuff. Carry on pirelli.Mandrake wrote:In order to win with 1 stop more, they effectively have to drive faster than Lotus, right? Which is what they did at Bahrain...beelsebob wrote:If they understood them, they would be driving as fast on them as Lotus.
This can only happen when medium and hard compounds are used.beelsebob wrote:So what you're saying is that they have nothing to moan about, good stuff. Carry on pirelli.Mandrake wrote:In order to win with 1 stop more, they effectively have to drive faster than Lotus, right? Which is what they did at Bahrain...beelsebob wrote:If they understood them, they would be driving as fast on them as Lotus.
Indeed – because RedBull and Merc have not got as good an understanding of the tyres as Lotus do.Juzh wrote:This can only happen when medium and hard compounds are used.beelsebob wrote:So what you're saying is that they have nothing to moan about, good stuff. Carry on pirelli.Mandrake wrote:In order to win with 1 stop more, they effectively have to drive faster than Lotus, right? Which is what they did at Bahrain...
Yeah same as they did 2 years ago, when the hard was to hard insteadgodlameroso wrote:So now Pirelli is going to change the hard to a compound resembling last year's tire, let's see if we can get some proper racing done now instead of trying to drive over eggshells.
