Red Bull RB10 Renault

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What are those for?

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Cooling outlets.
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Jesus Christ ...Adrian has stolen my Front nose idea...I had not thought it was legal but I had always that Arrow A11 nose in my head ..absolutely outrageous car...brilliant clean lines..
just kidding ...RedBull definitely looks the part .
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turbof1 wrote:Who said gurney flaps on the diffusers weren't allowed anymore? They have it all over the place.
What they have there is not a gurney tab (a gurney tab would have no gap between the top of the diffuser and itself); it's additional bodywork in the legal area above the top of the diffuser.

I think the gurney-on-the-diffuser exception was removed from the rules because no-one was using it rather than anything else.

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RB10s sidepods specifically at the forward upper rear suspension pickup point clearly features more of a shelf this year compared to RB9 (shown) and even W05 (inset) does have somewhat of a shelf but not as clearly defined as W04 had. The shelf makes for a clean line to the rearmost area of the car which not different to W05 but I believe W05 pulls this off without such a defined shelf. This area of RB10 is starkly different than any Red Bull as this area has famously had a vacuum sealed look in the past.




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Are the small u shaped undulations shaped between the gurney bottom edge and the diffuser top edge -at the "v" point where the u-shapes meet specifically- to (I'm guessing here) creat vortices which would / could be shaped to, in a sense, "suck" or "pull" air out from the diffuser--create an intensified low pressure vortex zone behind the diffuser itself--ie beyond the end of the car?

I'm just tossing a guess here folks, please don't crucify me. I'd just like to know why they aren't straight...
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For the goatee, is Red Bull counting the outer cover to get their required cross-section area, or are they just counting the "inner-nub" within the cover to get their required cross-section area. It seems that if you make your nose smaller in cross-section than the rules require and then put a duct around it to get cross-section, then you circumvent the intent of the cross-section rule. Yes, duct may be legal as a cockpit-vent kind of thing.

Does the goatee exhaust some of the airflow at its rear edge, rather than all on top of the nose? Haven't seen a good view of that.

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From that overhead shot above, Red Bull still appear to be using the old style cockpit display.
up until now I just presumed everyone had switched to the newer big-screen unit, especially with the more complex powertrains, example Toro Rosso:

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... but clearly not. Also most teams eventually migrated their display to the wheel, I think Newey was the only guy that steadfastly kept it bolted on the chassis. I guess he really doesn't care for big bulky steering wheels. I wonder what information, if any, the other drivers will have the opportunity to monitor that the Red Bull pair won't have ready access to.

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I'm pretty sure it's only Toro Rosso and Ferrari that have that display on their wheels. McLaren has a wheel similar to last season, and Williams has a similar solution to Red Bull

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Yeah, I saw the Williams display after I posted that.

The old display was a standardized part, so now you have a choice between two models it seems. Having to wrangle KERS and TERS and fuel-flow and tyre temps, I'd have figured the bigger display to be something of an advantage, but then again if a turbo pops or a generator fails, nothing much to be done no matter how big your screen with the error code is.

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I don't see the point to the huge displays, all a driver needs to see is gear, lap time info and when to change gear - everything else can be provided by radio if the driver needs to know it.

Gear change and DRS activation is all via audio queues in the helmet now.
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djos wrote:I don't see the point to the huge displays, all a driver needs to see is gear, lap time info and when to change gear - everything else can be provided by radio if the driver needs to know it.

Gear change and DRS activation is all via audio queues in the helmet now.
I would have thought it would be useful to see how much KERS you have left, but they apparently got along fine without a big display for several years.

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Lycoming wrote:
djos wrote:I don't see the point to the huge displays, all a driver needs to see is gear, lap time info and when to change gear - everything else can be provided by radio if the driver needs to know it.

Gear change and DRS activation is all via audio queues in the helmet now.
I would have thought it would be useful to see how much KERS you have left, but they apparently got along fine without a big display for several years.
Now the drivers have no control over it do it's not much use but I agree it might have been useful last year.
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djos wrote:
Lycoming wrote:
djos wrote:I don't see the point to the huge displays, all a driver needs to see is gear, lap time info and when to change gear - everything else can be provided by radio if the driver needs to know it.

Gear change and DRS activation is all via audio queues in the helmet now.
I would have thought it would be useful to see how much KERS you have left, but they apparently got along fine without a big display for several years.
Now the drivers have no control over it do it's not much use but I agree it might have been useful last year.
Wait... so no strategic use of KERS anymore?

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djos wrote:
Lycoming wrote:
djos wrote:I don't see the point to the huge displays, all a driver needs to see is gear, lap time info and when to change gear - everything else can be provided by radio if the driver needs to know it.

Gear change and DRS activation is all via audio queues in the helmet now.
I would have thought it would be useful to see how much KERS you have left, but they apparently got along fine without a big display for several years.
Now the drivers have no control over it do it's not much use but I agree it might have been useful last year.
That isn't quite true. They can select different maps for the ERS as to how they want to recover/deploy energy. Do they want the ERS to deploy a little power for a long time or lots of power for short bursts coming out of a corner. Also information on remaining fuel and how hard they can run the car with minimum fuel to finish the race. Probably lots more information.

As a pilot myself I can tell you having lots of information on every system is nice, however it can lead to information overload, especially while trying to fly at the same time. I can see drivers like Nico Rosberg who can manage a lot of information at any one time doing well. I wouldn't be surprised if teams let the drivers have a say if they want the screens or not.