Mercedes AMG F1 W05

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Javert wrote: Ferrari has slightly less powerful engine so they need less cooling
On the contrary. Since all of them are limited by the fuel rate (100kg/hr), it means that, at a specific moment, each engine uses a certain amount of energy. My impression is that the less heat you dissipate, the more efficient your engine is, since you are wasting less energy as heat.

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alexx_88 wrote:
Javert wrote: Ferrari has slightly less powerful engine so they need less cooling
On the contrary. Since all of them are limited by the fuel rate (100kg/hr), it means that, at a specific moment, each engine uses a certain amount of energy. My impression is that the less heat you dissipate, the more efficient your engine is, since you are wasting less energy as heat.
It would be lovely if that was true, but the reality is that more power means more efficient burning of the fuel, and hence more energy produced both as heat, and at the wheels.

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Indeed, didn't take the efficiency of the actual burning process into consideration. :)

However, theoretically, since the ICE is probably the place with the least room for development, wouldn't a system that is able to recover the most energy wasted by the thermal engine be cooler than one that doesn't? I think that it warrants at least a discussion.

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Typically 33% goes to the crank, 33% down the exhaust and 33% into the water and oil cooling. So no, recovering more thermal energy from the exhaust wont really effect the cooling requirements.
Motorsport Graduate in search of team experience ;)

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33/33/33 is by no means static or a fixed reality.turbo engines recover a sizeable Portion of the exhaust heat .If you were in a Position to burn more efficiently you would use less fuel for the same amount of power ,right? that´s by no means more waste heat at all.
If you were able to create a powertrain with less losses -even less energy has to be invested for the same effect in Propulsion-again less heat -friction-
cooking parts is not a sign of Efficiency - but does W05 even suffer from poor Efficiency compared to the Opposition?

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what is this thing in pull rod ?
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No idea! Some mechanism for adjustability?

They appear to be using a gurney flap around the sidepod cooling exhausts too. I've not seen that before!

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interesting that merc is also running gurneys on their hot air outlets like mclaren

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MercAMGF1Fans wrote:
dans79 wrote:
BorisTheBlade wrote:Yes, in the testing topic I quoted AMuS in the morning. According to the team they changed it as a precautionary measure and its mileage was almost 3000km.
This is excellent news, If they average 750Km a race weekend, then they can get 4 races out of an engine.
actually I've done the proper calculation
since day 1 of the FIRST bahrain test until yesterday x by track length
meaning
a total of 582 laps (that's timed laps) x 5.412 (track length) = 3149.784KM
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Hamilton has finally head out after yet more gearbox issues. He's had such bad luck this pre-season. Such a shame.

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eslam1986 wrote:what is this thing in pull rod ?
http://store1.up-00.com/2014-03/1393743401761.jpg
a mechanism to control ride height.
red bull uses it by years.

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ACJJ619 wrote:Hamilton has finally head out after yet more gearbox issues. He's had such bad luck this pre-season. Such a shame.
You definitely get the impression that the gearbox is going to be that teams achilles heel.

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mix2mix wrote:
MercAMGF1Fans wrote:
dans79 wrote:
This is excellent news, If they average 750Km a race weekend, then they can get 4 races out of an engine.
actually I've done the proper calculation
since day 1 of the FIRST bahrain test until yesterday x by track length
meaning
a total of 582 laps (that's timed laps) x 5.412 (track length) = 3149.784KM
http://e2.365dm.com/14/03/660x350/pre-s ... 0301154300
yeah, but i'm not including the mileage on the new engine from yesterday

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myurr wrote:
ACJJ619 wrote:Hamilton has finally head out after yet more gearbox issues. He's had such bad luck this pre-season. Such a shame.
You definitely get the impression that the gearbox is going to be that teams achilles heel.
Story of his life.. Bad luck Lewis comes to mind. I dont think he will be too fazed looking at Seb.
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myurr wrote:
ACJJ619 wrote:Hamilton has finally head out after yet more gearbox issues. He's had such bad luck this pre-season. Such a shame.
You definitely get the impression that the gearbox is going to be that teams achilles heel.
How many race weekends worth of laps have they done in total during testing? They've put down a lot of mileage, cars have gearbox problems all the time but they usually come in practice and we forget about it by Saturday. At least they are pushing the gearbox hard enough to test its reliability.