Ferrari F14T

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via @pitlanetalk
Leo Turrini: Ferrari are unable to optimize the ICE and the ERS. Hardware rather than software related, which is not a good sign. F14-T will receive a software update expected to optimize ERS and boost power by 30%. Ferrari will apply remapping in Bahrain. We believe the Ferrari engine is as powerful as Mercedes, but their ERS cannot run at full capacity yet due to electrical glitches. That said, it's uncertain if the issue is software or hardware/mechanical. The software update might be half a step until a full solution. Even if it's mechanical, they can modify the PU despite homologation, since it's a reliability measure to prevent electrical glitches.

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So it's mechanical but might be software or might be electrical but it's a bad sign it's mechanical because it is difficult to solve which is not a problem because they can update mechanicals on safety ground.




The above is actually a joke

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TheGkbrk wrote:via @pitlanetalk
Leo Turrini: Ferrari are unable to optimize the ICE and the ERS. Hardware rather than software related, which is not a good sign. F14-T will receive a software update expected to optimize ERS and boost power by 30%. Ferrari will apply remapping in Bahrain. We believe the Ferrari engine is as powerful as Mercedes, but their ERS cannot run at full capacity yet due to electrical glitches. That said, it's uncertain if the issue is software or hardware/mechanical. The software update might be half a step until a full solution. Even if it's mechanical, they can modify the PU despite homologation, since it's a reliability measure to prevent electrical glitches.
"Ferrari are unable to optimize the ICE and the ERS" ...
"F14-T will receive a software update expected to optimize ERS and boost power by 30%"

What now? Can they optimize or can they not? :wtf:

And I'm sorry but if I see figures like "increase power by 30%", especially from a software update, it looks like wishful thinking to me.
Is there another source for this?

I hope this is true, because they really need to find power quickly, otherwise the Mercedes teams and Redbull are gone (again :cry: ).

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@karunchandhok: “@motorsport: New @InsideFerrari engine too heavy
http://t.co/xJpGuQvfXE” - Hmm...If true, this could be a big problem that can't be fixed !

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So, it was 18kg a few days ago, now it's 13kg. At this rate their engine will be underweight by the time they get to Malaysia.

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AMuS mentions 13kg too, but states that these are rumours.

http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/form ... 01204.html
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They also need to add another 2-3 kg for new turbo safety cover in the next time.

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TheGkbrk wrote:via @pitlanetalk
Leo Turrini: Ferrari are unable to optimize the ICE and the ERS. Hardware rather than software related, which is not a good sign. F14-T will receive a software update expected to optimize ERS and boost power by 30%. Ferrari will apply remapping in Bahrain. We believe the Ferrari engine is as powerful as Mercedes, but their ERS cannot run at full capacity yet due to electrical glitches. That said, it's uncertain if the issue is software or hardware/mechanical. The software update might be half a step until a full solution. Even if it's mechanical, they can modify the PU despite homologation, since it's a reliability measure to prevent electrical glitches.
How reliable is this twitteraccount? Because Leo Turrini is a well-known Formula 1 journalist and Ferrari-know-it-all with accurate information and he even has direct contact with Di Montezemolo and Domenicale. If this is truly from him, this is big and good news.

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Bomber_Pilot wrote:So, it was 18kg a few days ago, now it's 13kg. At this rate their engine will be underweight by the time they get to Malaysia.
1. You're mixing up rumours 2. 13 kg is for the engine itself (Amus), 18 overall(?) (Kravitz), no contradiction then.
turbof1 wrote:I'm not 100% sure, but the engine has a minimum weight. The cover might or might not be included in that. If the former is true, there isn't a weight advantage.
145 kg, you can always check appendix 2 third column or full technical regulations, I tried but lost interest :wink:, OK there's:
- PU pressure charging components (e.g. compressor from inlet to outlet including wheel; turbine from inlet to outlet including wheel; shaft, bearings and housings).
"Housing" but cover might be something different - Ferrari has housing but not extra cover. 5.18.5 doesn't specify the means, plus usual grey areas. But: if you save in one area you can add to other, there's also engine ballast 2 kg (interesting) (did anyone reach engine under weight?) - so less is gain.

[Assuming rumours are true] There is less disadvantage if Ferrari are over the weight limit with the engine (13 kg) and overall. Temporarily, if they are putting it on in the future, but they can meanwhile work/plan on losing weight in other areas or be perfecting design of the cover. They are -3 kg without it in Melbourne - gain.
This is where it gets tricky (too many unknowns, too stupid to speculate, I'll wait for Scarbs article or something):
- Is their cover-less engine homologated at 13kg+ (or whatever)?
- If they were to reduce engine weight would it be considered also performance related and thus not allowed?
- can they add their cover "outside of engine" (weight/homologation) unlike Ren/Merc, as long as it serves its safety purpose? That wouldn't sound as equal rules for everyone.

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Something I find interesting is that James Allison was saying how the F14T had great high-speed corner stability, but not so good top speed. Could these go hand in hand? I guess what I'm saying is, if and when Ferrari finds more power, could their supposed fantastic high-speed cornering turn out to be only okay?
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scuderiafan wrote:I guess what I'm saying is, if and when Ferrari finds more power, could their supposed fantastic high-speed cornering turn out to be only okay?
Why would it?
We should way until Sepang to see the picture better, there's more high-downforce corners there.

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[quote}If they're struggling for weight why is it affecting Kimi only...Is he 18kg heavier than alonzo?[/quote]

Maybe. Does Ferrari have an ice cream cooler?

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timbo wrote:
scuderiafan wrote:I guess what I'm saying is, if and when Ferrari finds more power, could their supposed fantastic high-speed cornering turn out to be only okay?
Why would it?
We should way until Sepang to see the picture better, there's more high-downforce corners there.
If you're going around a fast corner at a higher speed, it's not going to feel as planted if you went around the same corner at a lower speed. I guess it won't matter though, there's a limit to how fast you can go around that corner anyways.
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scuderiafan wrote:it's not going to feel as planted if you went around the same corner at a lower speed.
But why on earth would you take the corner slower then the downforce/tires can handle?
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Ganxxta wrote:
TheGkbrk wrote:via @pitlanetalk
Leo Turrini: Ferrari are unable to optimize the ICE and the ERS. Hardware rather than software related, which is not a good sign. F14-T will receive a software update expected to optimize ERS and boost power by 30%. Ferrari will apply remapping in Bahrain. We believe the Ferrari engine is as powerful as Mercedes, but their ERS cannot run at full capacity yet due to electrical glitches. That said, it's uncertain if the issue is software or hardware/mechanical. The software update might be half a step until a full solution. Even if it's mechanical, they can modify the PU despite homologation, since it's a reliability measure to prevent electrical glitches.
"Ferrari are unable to optimize the ICE and the ERS" ...
"F14-T will receive a software update expected to optimize ERS and boost power by 30%"

What now? Can they optimize or can they not? :wtf:

And I'm sorry but if I see figures like "increase power by 30%", especially from a software update, it looks like wishful thinking to me.
Is there another source for this?

I hope this is true, because they really need to find power quickly, otherwise the Mercedes teams and Redbull are gone (again :cry: ).
If there is any truth to that, I'd take it to mean 30% increase in max MGUK output. They are probably having trouble combining MGUH and ERS power together and sending it to the MGUK if I took a guess. But then again Autosport is quoting Kimi stating it is the EBC.
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