2014 British GP - Silverstone

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iotar__ wrote:Too bad he can't win those real ones unless something happens to his team-mate.
lol, yea one would think that if they did not watch the season.
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myurr wrote:
deterherligt wrote:Didnt Paddy say on Sky that Lewis was on a two-stop? In that case he had to overtake Niko. The prime tire just showed to be alot faster than the option tire :wink:
He awkwardly denied knowing the strategy and ended up saying that a two stop was impossible, which is demonstrably false. Other's ran far longer in the 2nd stint that Lewis would have had to.
that was before the race. After the race he said that the strategy for Lewis was a two stop -- Option-Prime-Option. Just like Niko in Bahrain and Spain.

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deterherligt wrote:
myurr wrote:
deterherligt wrote:Didnt Paddy say on Sky that Lewis was on a two-stop? In that case he had to overtake Niko. The prime tire just showed to be alot faster than the option tire :wink:
He awkwardly denied knowing the strategy and ended up saying that a two stop was impossible, which is demonstrably false. Other's ran far longer in the 2nd stint that Lewis would have had to.
that was before the race. After the race he said that the strategy for Lewis was a two stop -- Option-Prime-Option. Just like Niko in Bahrain and Spain.
Fair enough. Lewis said on the radio the tyres were good so I presumed they pitted as a precaution rather than because they had to. Bet they could have stretched it. Ricciardo managed it on tyres that were 9 laps older!

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kaido wrote:WOW! i was actually impressed with Ferrari today, The car look half decent had the pace and was making overtakes! Is this a slight turn around for the car or did the track just suit us better?

Even with the bad qualifying and 5 second penalty Alonso looked quick! definitely not Merc quick but still looked like an improvement
Well, I am not impressed. SV made one more pit stop than Alono. If he didn't? RB had the pace, it was quite obvious.

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myurr wrote: Fair enough. Lewis said on the radio the tyres were good so I presumed they pitted as a precaution rather than because they had to. Bet they could have stretched it. Ricciardo managed it on tyres that were 9 laps older!
yeah, he could probely have done it in a one stop. But we will never know. Maybe he used his primes to much catching Niko in his second stint, so he had to have another stop. Also, as the primes showed to be the best race tire, his strategy would have been a two stop with prime in the end in all cases.

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Poor Kimi.

He got a better start than Alonso despite Alonso's gaff in lining up ahead, and then overtook him. But as usual with this year's string of bad luck..... it all ended too soon.

At least he is okay and will be back for the next race. Get better!


A 47G crash....... insane. :shock:

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Traction wrote:Loved the race. Well done to Lewis even if he won by virtue of Rosbergs retirement. I suppose you have to be there to benefit from others misfortune.

Alonso was superb through the race but it all meant nothing when he was reminded by Vettel why Seb is a 4 time WDC. :lol: great racing , wheel to wheel stuff. Although both of them should have just shut up and raced I think it was Alonso who cried the most. Strange how upset he became when he was showed up by Seb in a straight up battle.
Alonso overtook Vettel on lap 34, it wasn't until lap 47 that Vettel overtook Alonso, Vettel tyres where 7 laps newer. It pretty much only took Alonso one shot to get Vettel but it took Vettel 13 laps to get Alonso.

If Vettel would have held his position after his pit-stop or overtook alonso quicker RBR strategy would have worked.

None of this takes away from both drivers, they both where pushing hard and driving great, but it was pretty much a given that Vettel was going to take the position back from Alonso due to the tyres 26 laps on a set of mediums (almost half race distance), they where never going to hold alonso pace

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tpe wrote:
kaido wrote:WOW! i was actually impressed with Ferrari today, The car look half decent had the pace and was making overtakes! Is this a slight turn around for the car or did the track just suit us better?

Even with the bad qualifying and 5 second penalty Alonso looked quick! definitely not Merc quick but still looked like an improvement
Well, I am not impressed. SV made one more pit stop than Alono. If he didn't? RB had the pace, it was quite obvious.
It took SV 13 laps to overtook alonso, SV tyres where newer (7laps) compare to Alonso, plus the RB seems to be alot faster towards the end of the races.

26laps on a set of mediums was a gamble by ferrari but they had nothing to lose, if alonso didn't make the mistake at the start (stopping on his line), i'm sure Ferrari would have been able to hold there position or possible go after button.

What was promising that the speed compare to the Merc engine wasn't that big here and the ferrari was able to overtake Merc powered cars and then pull away from them
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bhall II wrote:Oh, hell, yeah. I don't know what corner number it's considered now on the new layout, but I got a little moist when Alonso pantsed Vettel around the outside of old turn-1.
It's this sort of thing that makes him stand out. Screw the rubbish about transcending the cars abilities. ..
His car placement just prior to entry, then through the corner and the exit is exact, making his attack or defence manouvres stick.

Vettel passed him alright, but this was an Alonso masterclass. Even the Mrs was exalted!
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Also to the people saying Lewis was gaining on Nico after the pitstops maybe this may explain why Lewis started to close the gap

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/114857
Rosberg, who retired on lap 28 of 52, said the problem had been serious from lap 20, and before the gearbox failed he was considering conceding to Hamilton and focusing on keeping the car in the race.

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kaido wrote:Also to the people saying Lewis was gaining on Nico after the pitstops maybe this may explain why Lewis started to close the gap

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/114857
Rosberg, who retired on lap 28 of 52, said the problem had been serious from lap 20, and before the gearbox failed he was considering conceding to Hamilton and focusing on keeping the car in the race.
I Wanted to post exactly the same quote :). Was it 20th lap when he first mentioned shifting problems or earlier? I don't remember. Regardless: all talk about the pace and pitstops is pretty much useless after that. I take back one more stop impossible though, Rosberg didn't gain as much as he could have before Hamilton's stop, LH had slower stop etc., they both claimed they would have won. NR was leading at the start, after first corner and laps and after pitstops and that's the end of it at lap 20 or earlier.

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myurr wrote:
deterherligt wrote:
myurr wrote:He awkwardly denied knowing the strategy and ended up saying that a two stop was impossible, which is demonstrably false. Other's ran far longer in the 2nd stint that Lewis would have had to.
that was before the race. After the race he said that the strategy for Lewis was a two stop -- Option-Prime-Option. Just like Niko in Bahrain and Spain.
Fair enough. Lewis said on the radio the tyres were good so I presumed they pitted as a precaution rather than because they had to. Bet they could have stretched it. Ricciardo managed it on tyres that were 9 laps older!
Bottas - 31
Ricciardo - 15
Button - 28
Alonso - 25
Magnussen - 27
Hulkenberg - 29
Vergne - 27
Perez - 26
Grosjean - 30
Sutil - 23
Maldonado - 26
Bianchi - 29

A list of all the guys who did 1 stop today and the lap they stopped on. Hamilton stopped on lap 24 which is within the same sort of range, I say he could easily have made it with 1 stop and still have been competitive at the end. Sutil who stopped 1 lap earlier held his pace until the end of the race.

Now whether the team would've told him to box if Nico was still in it and whether Lewis would've done so is anyone's guess, but 1 stop seemed the way to go today.

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kaido wrote:Also to the people saying Lewis was gaining on Nico after the pitstops maybe this may explain why Lewis started to close the gap

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/114857
Rosberg, who retired on lap 28 of 52, said the problem had been serious from lap 20, and before the gearbox failed he was considering conceding to Hamilton and focusing on keeping the car in the race.
Possibly, but he also set his fastest lap of the race at the exact same time as Hamilton on lap 26 - which was still quick enough to be the 3rd fastest of anyone. Hamilton was gaining on Nico before lap 20 (which was after his first stop on lap 18), gaining at around 0.5 seconds a lap at that point, and was keeping pace with him within a tenth or two thereafter even though Nico was on new tyres. So any issues Nico had were after that pattern of pace had been set.

It certainly didn't help Rosberg's pace but we have no evidence either way as to whether it really held him up or not. Given the hard tyre seemed to be the better race tyre at that stage I suspect not but can't definitively prove it.

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myurr wrote:
kaido wrote:Also to the people saying Lewis was gaining on Nico after the pitstops maybe this may explain why Lewis started to close the gap

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/114857
Rosberg, who retired on lap 28 of 52, said the problem had been serious from lap 20, and before the gearbox failed he was considering conceding to Hamilton and focusing on keeping the car in the race.
Possibly, but he also set his fastest lap of the race at the exact same time as Hamilton on lap 26 - which was still quick enough to be the 3rd fastest of anyone. Hamilton was gaining on Nico before lap 20 (which was after his first stop on lap 18), gaining at around 0.5 seconds a lap at that point, and was keeping pace with him within a tenth or two thereafter even though Nico was on new tyres. So any issues Nico had were after that pattern of pace had been set.

It certainly didn't help Rosberg's pace but we have no evidence either way as to whether it really held him up or not. Given the hard tyre seemed to be the better race tyre at that stage I suspect not but can't definitively prove it.
http://184.106.145.74/f1-championship/f ... is_V01.pdf

Looking here it looks as though Nico's pace was consistent up until the lap before he retired. Not sure why his times dropped off in his first stint, hurt his tyres maybe.

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Yup, Alonso is a got damn legend. Showed he´s the best once again.

Edit: I´m just in awe of this guy, he never takes any prisoners he just played with the Bulls today in what i consider an inferior car.
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