2017 F1 engine dream configs

[FW17]

Refueling pls

[Facts Only]

Just for something a bit crazy I would make the rule:

2500cc maximum that can be used for engine swept volume or battery/flywheel volume or Turbine/Compressor volume.

Apart from a few safety and cost rules layout and architecture would be completely free.

You could have anything from a 2.5l NA V6 to a 1.5l I4 Turbo and KERS to a 500cc 2cyl with a huge turbo and large energy recovery.

This would incentivise efficiency, size and weight and optimisation of energy usage.

[wuzak]

Refueling pls

Only if tyres changes aren't allowed when refuelling.

Would make it more interesting that way.

[wuzak]

I would like to see a 2.0L V8 engine with compounding turbochargers and VGT systems installed. The MGU-K and MGU-H will be the same although the battery could be bigger. It would be great if they could bring back the push button KERS boost. RPM to be limited to 22,000 rpm. No rpm limit for 8th gear when 1 second behind a formula one (was thinking DRS detection style) HP should be in the 1200-1350 region. REMOVAL OF DRS.

Race fuel should be limited to 150 kg without a fuel flow limit. Allotted fuel per car would be around 200 kg the whole weekend.

Would you bitch and moan about fuel saving during the race and lack of practice running due to the fuel allocation?

They would run miles off qualifying pace (more than now) if these were the rules.

Just to reiterate, the fuel flow limit puts a cap on power - a cap that is easily adjusted. The race fuel allowance promotes fuel saving mode, though ithas to be said that for most of 2014 there was no more fuel saving than in the V8 era, where teams deliberately short-filled and fans complained very little about it.

[bidong]

I would like to see a 2.0L V8 engine with compounding turbochargers and VGT systems installed. The MGU-K and MGU-H will be the same although the battery could be bigger. It would be great if they could bring back the push button KERS boost. RPM to be limited to 22,000 rpm. No rpm limit for 8th gear when 1 second behind a formula one (was thinking DRS detection style) HP should be in the 1200-1350 region. REMOVAL OF DRS.

Race fuel should be limited to 150 kg without a fuel flow limit. Allotted fuel per car would be around 200 kg the whole weekend.

Would you bitch and moan about fuel saving during the race and lack of practice running due to the fuel allocation?

They would run miles off qualifying pace (more than now) if these were the rules.

Just to reiterate, the fuel flow limit puts a cap on power - a cap that is easily adjusted. The race fuel allowance promotes fuel saving mode, though ithas to be said that for most of 2014 there was no more fuel saving than in the V8 era, where teams deliberately short-filled and fans complained very little about it.

Why would they run miles off the qualifying pace? I know they don't put alot of fuel for qualifying. They just put what is necessary to make their planned out - fly - in program.

I also mentioned that fuel flow won't be controlled but total fuel quantity for a race weekend.

I might bitch for the lack of practice but that can easily be adjusted by increasing total fuel quantity for the weekend. I would like to fix the total amount of fuel for the RACE. power extraction and weight saving would play a fine game.

[1158]

Refueling pls

Only if tyres changes aren't allowed when refuelling.

Would make it more interesting that way.

That or make fuel delivery gravity feed only.

[FW17]

I would like to see a 2.0L V8 engine with compounding turbochargers and VGT systems installed. The MGU-K and MGU-H will be the same although the battery could be bigger. It would be great if they could bring back the push button KERS boost. RPM to be limited to 22,000 rpm. No rpm limit for 8th gear when 1 second behind a formula one (was thinking DRS detection style) HP should be in the 1200-1350 region. REMOVAL OF DRS.

Race fuel should be limited to 150 kg without a fuel flow limit. Allotted fuel per car would be around 200 kg the whole weekend.

Would you bitch and moan about fuel saving during the race and lack of practice running due to the fuel allocation?

They would run miles off qualifying pace (more than now) if these were the rules.

Just to reiterate, the fuel flow limit puts a cap on power - a cap that is easily adjusted. The race fuel allowance promotes fuel saving mode, though ithas to be said that for most of 2014 there was no more fuel saving than in the V8 era, where teams deliberately short-filled and fans complained very little about it.

Why would they run miles off the qualifying pace? I know they don't put alot of fuel for qualifying. They just put what is necessary to make their planned out - fly - in program.

I also mentioned that fuel flow won't be controlled but total fuel quantity for a race weekend.

I might bitch for the lack of practice but that can easily be adjusted by increasing total fuel quantity for the weekend. I would like to fix the total amount of fuel for the RACE. power extraction and weight saving would play a fine game.

Why do you want a 2L V8 with a turbo charger? It is going to sound the same as it is now.

[FW17]

Refueling pls

Only if tyres changes aren't allowed when refuelling.

Would make it more interesting that way.

That or make fuel delivery gravity feed only.

A full race with Pirelli Even Michelin's fell apart on a full race;

I would love the same old refueling system 12L/sec but without the drama of a failed fuel rig or driver running off with the hose

[Lasse-E]

Keep the correct 1.6L V6 Turbo

Up the fuel flow limit to 120kg/hr, and allow for any changes needed to make use of that during the winter, 2016/2017

Maximum fuel allowed per race 140kg

By the end of testing 2017 reset and keep the token system, and allow in season development as long as it is kept within the allowed tokens per year.

Double the storage capacity of the energy store and the allowed amount of energy recovery per lap, + make the MGU-K 200kW.

Make the energy store and MGU-K, standardised parts to keep their cost under control.

Set a standard price per costumer team, for power units, upgrades and support per season, every manufacture must supply 3 teams + their factory team if needed.

[Andres125sx]

Engine rules:

- Max 1000hp
- Max 30 Million per engine
- Max 100kg fuel per race, this limit will go down season by season to encourage ERS development


That´s it, no need for more restrictions, let the teams decide what´s the best posible config. Engineers battles are exciting, at least we´d see some battle in F1

[tuj]

100kg/race fuel rule to remain (or maybe up it to 150 max).
no flow limit.
any engine configuration allowed.
forced induction allowed.
any ERS systems allowed.
no limit on recovered energy or ERS storage.

[wuzak]

I would like to see a 2.0L V8 engine with compounding turbochargers and VGT systems installed. The MGU-K and MGU-H will be the same although the battery could be bigger. It would be great if they could bring back the push button KERS boost. RPM to be limited to 22,000 rpm. No rpm limit for 8th gear when 1 second behind a formula one (was thinking DRS detection style) HP should be in the 1200-1350 region. REMOVAL OF DRS.

Race fuel should be limited to 150 kg without a fuel flow limit. Allotted fuel per car would be around 200 kg the whole weekend.

Would you bitch and moan about fuel saving during the race and lack of practice running due to the fuel allocation?

They would run miles off qualifying pace (more than now) if these were the rules.

Just to reiterate, the fuel flow limit puts a cap on power - a cap that is easily adjusted. The race fuel allowance promotes fuel saving mode, though ithas to be said that for most of 2014 there was no more fuel saving than in the V8 era, where teams deliberately short-filled and fans complained very little about it.

Why would they run miles off the qualifying pace? I know they don't put alot of fuel for qualifying. They just put what is necessary to make their planned out - fly - in program.

I also mentioned that fuel flow won't be controlled but total fuel quantity for a race weekend.

I might bitch for the lack of practice but that can easily be adjusted by increasing total fuel quantity for the weekend. I would like to fix the total amount of fuel for the RACE. power extraction and weight saving would play a fine game.

Why would they run miles off qualifying pace?

Because they will be saving fuel almost the entire race.

[wuzak]

Engine rules:

- Max 1000hp
- Max 30 Million per engine
- Max 100kg fuel per race, this limit will go down season by season to encourage ERS development


That´s it, no need for more restrictions, let the teams decide what´s the best posible config. Engineers battles are exciting, at least we´d see some battle in F1

Hmmm....how are you going to enforce a maximum 1000hp?

The fuel flow limit will do far more to encourage ERS development than the race fuel allowance because it directly affects power.

At the end of the day the teams want to use more power. So if the ICE is fixed and the fuel flow limit used there is incentive to get every last drop of energy out of the fuel (via the ICE and MGUH) and recovered from braking.

I don't think it is as effective an incentive to use a race fuel limit.

[Blanchimont]

Hmmm....how are you going to enforce a maximum 1000hp?

You simply measure the torque and rpm at the driveshafts with standardised sensors, as it's done in WEC for the balance of performance.

[turbof1]

I wouldn't enforce a maximum horsepower. There should be room for development for more power. Else everybody will run with the same power during qualy, shifting performance differences completely back to aerodynamics.

Also, I'd start off at a 125kg fuel limit and lower it through several seasons to 110kg (perhaps like 5 seasons, each season lowering by 3kg?). As the proposals are now standing, the same power units will more or less be used, just with a bigger fuel flow rate, meaning the jump from around 850hp to over 1000hp will naturally bring an increased fuel consumption.