2016 British Grand Prix - Silverstone, 08-10 July

[wickedz50]

There is only one team happy with their car in Formula one right now.... supposedly now Ferrari stinks and cant develop a car and whatever else but for some reason this team that stinks is leading red bull in the constructors championship 2 years running now....some tracks and conditions suit Ferrari and some suite red bull. Its as simple as that and on average Ferrari has been better than red bull this year. Its not going to rain at every GP this year lol

You need to understand the progress curves of either team, which tells a story of contrasting outlooks. There is only Monza and to some extent Spa, that might be a big problem for RBR, but otherwise, they have everything to rejoice about for the remainder of the year. I said this before Canada and Baku that, Ferrari are stand to gain a lot against RBR for these races, which turned out to be true. Now, with Hungary, Singapore, Japan, "Malaysia and USA (with great mix of speed and downforce)", Brazil and Abu Dhabi coming up, RB would stand to gain more than Ferrari due to nature of circuits.

By the end of the season, I wouldn't be surprised if RB would stand as the second best team. There are also multiple reasons to believe this way. Ferrari has thrown the towel on the SF16H to focus on 2017, whereas RBR, traditionally go deep in their development of the cars. Last year, when Newey decided to take a back seat, Dan Fallows took over as the head of aero and he is still leading the current car. With new regulations coming for 2017, Newey is fully involved again for that project. So, RBR has, more or less, equal focus on both seasons. If Ferrari doesn't out develop RBR on the chassis side, they definitely stand to lose more on the above mentioned circuits. Assuming that, Ferrari does introduces a lot of PU upgrades, it wouldn't still help A GREAT DEAL for these circuits, whereas any upgrades from Renault on PU will enhance the development advantage for RBR.

Agree with you completely.

To add to what you have explained, Mario told ESPN that everything that's been happening and happened for Ferrari is all bad luck and grave misfortune and that they are still fighting Merc and not RBR for this season.
Is he dreaming?

[Juzh]

There is only Monza and to some extent Spa

Even with last's year pile of crap that was renault PU red bull wasn't that bad at all in SPA.

[flickerf1]

There is only one team happy with their car in Formula one right now.... supposedly now Ferrari stinks and cant develop a car and whatever else but for some reason this team that stinks is leading red bull in the constructors championship 2 years running now....some tracks and conditions suit Ferrari and some suite red bull. Its as simple as that and on average Ferrari has been better than red bull this year. Its not going to rain at every GP this year lol

You need to understand the progress curves of either team, which tells a story of contrasting outlooks. There is only Monza and to some extent Spa, that might be a big problem for RBR, but otherwise, they have everything to rejoice about for the remainder of the year. I said this before Canada and Baku that, Ferrari are stand to gain a lot against RBR for these races, which turned out to be true. Now, with Hungary, Singapore, Japan, "Malaysia and USA (with great mix of speed and downforce)", Brazil and Abu Dhabi coming up, RB would stand to gain more than Ferrari due to nature of circuits.

By the end of the season, I wouldn't be surprised if RB would stand as the second best team. There are also multiple reasons to believe this way. Ferrari has thrown the towel on the SF16H to focus on 2017, whereas RBR, traditionally go deep in their development of the cars. Last year, when Newey decided to take a back seat, Dan Fallows took over as the head of aero and he is still leading the current car. With new regulations coming for 2017, Newey is fully involved again for that project. So, RBR has, more or less, equal focus on both seasons. If Ferrari doesn't out develop RBR on the chassis side, they definitely stand to lose more on the above mentioned circuits. Assuming that, Ferrari does introduces a lot of PU upgrades, it wouldn't still help A GREAT DEAL for these circuits, whereas any upgrades from Renault on PU will enhance the development advantage for RBR.

Agree with you completely.

To add to what you have explained, Mario told ESPN that everything that's been happening and happened for Ferrari is all bad luck and grave misfortune and that they are still fighting Merc and not RBR for this season.
Is he dreaming?

Probably. Ferrari NEED to get their chassis and aero together. Their PU is more or less on par with the Mercedes. I don't understand why they would design a car as a revolution when massive regulation changes are coming in 2017. It just doesn't make sense to me.

Quick question for GPR-A. Do you know who is the lead designer at Merc for the W08?

[Vasconia]

Who wants to bet red bull will beat ferrari in the WDC?

I am quite sure that RB will beat Ferrari though I wouldnt like to see it. But..

1. Rb has a better chasis and the post-summer evolution is always great(2012,2013)

2. Renault has many more tokens to use than Ferrari.

3. Ferrari is focusing more and more on 2017s car. Are they bring some good aerodynamic updates? because they need them.

4. Only hope for Ferrari are some very hot races, if not...

[Just_a_fan]

I don't understand why they would design a car as a revolution when massive regulation changes are coming in 2017. It just doesn't make sense to me.

It's a bit like McLaren bringing a wholly new car each year when everyone else was doing evolution e.g. RB5-9. If you get it right, great, but most of the time they didn't. The result is that they never catch up.

[Vasconia]

I don't understand why they would design a car as a revolution when massive regulation changes are coming in 2017. It just doesn't make sense to me.

It's a bit like McLaren bringing a wholly new car each year when everyone else was doing evolution e.g. RB5-9. If you get it right, great, but most of the time they didn't. The result is that they never catch up.

Absolutely. That 2012 car was great, for example, but they changed it again for 2013 and we all know what happened.

[flickerf1]

I don't understand why they would design a car as a revolution when massive regulation changes are coming in 2017. It just doesn't make sense to me.

It's a bit like McLaren bringing a wholly new car each year when everyone else was doing evolution e.g. RB5-9. If you get it right, great, but most of the time they didn't. The result is that they never catch up.

But wasn't the SF15-T a decent all round car? I feel had they just had an evolutionary car e.g. W05-7, RB10-12. I feel they could've been in a more solid position in the WCC had they stuck with an evolutionary car that they understood.

[Jolle]

Indeed.
I wonder if Vettel is regretting his decision yet?

Well, at the moment there are only two happy drivers in the paddock, Hamilton and Verstappen
But yes, Ferrari looks more and more the problem is becoming long term, with the changes implemented during the last few years (changing management, drivers, tech staff) and no boost in performance this year.

It might that they're working fulltime on the 2017 car, but then the gearboxes wouldn't fail and Vettel would be in a better mood (think of Mercedes 2013, where the drivers were pretty "cool" during the second part of the season).

There is only one team happy with their car in Formula one right now.... supposedly now Ferrari stinks and cant develop a car and whatever else but for some reason this team that stinks is leading red bull in the constructors championship 2 years running now....some tracks and conditions suit Ferrari and some suite red bull. Its as simple as that and on average Ferrari has been better than red bull this year. Its not going to rain at every GP this year lol

Well... The numbers aren't good for Ferrari vs RedBull for the past few years. RedBull had it's worst year last year, but a decent 2014.
Ferrari beat RedBull once since 2009. And at the moment it's going from bad to worse for Ferrari, bit like in 1990, where they had a good year and going downhill from 1991 until Schumacher took over in 1997. So... Are Vettel and Allison Prost and Bernard or are they Schumacher and Brawn.

[Samraj_official]

At the moment it looks seemingly more like Prost and Bernard,so who knows???, it might as well change next year,while also knowing the fact what RedBull are capable off during rule changes and also Ferrari always seem to react too slowly during massive regulation changes,with budget in excess of 400 million $$ ,i still struggle to understand why are they are under utilising the resources they have!!! is it lack of talented engineers or something else???

[Phil]

I have to admit, after reading up a bit on the 10-second penalty awarded to Nico, it all feels rather stupid.

If I am correct and have interpreted most posts here correctly, Nico has received the penalty because of his question on how to tackle seventh gear and then his race engineer confirming to just shift through it. I think it's a very hard penalty, even if the point loss is minimal.

First of all, I think penalties to tackle driver coaching should be more strict. It shouldn't be just 10 second, but more than that. But I don't believe informing him on how to tackle 7th gear was coaching. If we are to believe the gearbox problem could have lead to a terminal car failure and because of that, the team was allowed to advice the driver is correct - then why is the question on how to tackle 7th gear not allowed?

If I was the driver, I would have asked the same question, as potentially ending in that 7th gear that caused the problem, wouldn't be too far fetched to believe that the problem could re-occur more seriously and end up being 'terminal' for the car. In that sense, it's a per-emptive question to avoid braking something.

Either way, rules like these are rubbish, I think we can all agree on that.

[Jolle]

At the moment it looks seemingly more like Prost and Bernard,so who knows???, it might as well change next year,while also knowing the fact what RedBull are capable off during rule changes and also Ferrari always seem to react too slowly during massive regulation changes,with budget in excess of 400 million $$ ,i still struggle to understand why are they are under utilising the resources they have!!! is it lack of talented engineers or something else???

Pure lack of direction. Teams that have been dominant always had a very strong management that stood out. Managers who form a team with their engineers and place the right trust in them. Managers who don't compromise. Not a political marketing manager. Everybody probably can name all the combinations from the past twenty/thirty years. With Allison they have the engineer.

[A-Bap]

Lewis has a good weekend and walks away with a victory, and the press says:
"Lewis commanding, dominant, in top form, as Nico struggled..."

Nico has a good weekend and walks away with a victory, and the press says:
"Lucky day for Nico, as Lewis valiantly fought his way though (unfair rules, excessive aero sensitivity, tracks where you can't pass, sunlight in his eyes, etc) which conspired to keep him from challenging. Shouldn't the rules be changed? Is the team favoring Nico and neglecting Lewis?"

Lewis runs someone off: "Brilliant," "Racing like winner," "Intimidating," and "Quit whining."
Someone gives it back to him: "Oh the horror!"

Is anyone else sick of the LH fanboy-ism and bias in the press or is it just me?

[GPR-A duplicate2]

Lewis has a good weekend and walks away with a victory, and the press says:
"Lewis commanding, dominant, in top form, as Nico struggled..."

Nico has a good weekend and walks away with a victory, and the press says:
"Lucky day for Nico, as Lewis valiantly fought his way though (unfair rules, excessive aero sensitivity, tracks where you can't pass, sunlight in his eyes, etc) which conspired to keep him from challenging. Shouldn't the rules be changed? Is the team favoring Nico and neglecting Lewis?"

Lewis runs someone off: "Brilliant," "Racing like winner," "Intimidating," and "Quit whining."
Someone gives it back to him: "Oh the horror!"

Is anyone else sick of the LH fanboy-ism and bias in the press or is it just me?

Yeah, it's just you.

[dans79]

Is anyone else sick of the LH fanboy-ism and bias in the press or is it just me?

Nope, not at all. I want more of it actually!

[TAG]

Is anyone else sick of the LH fanboy-ism and bias in the press or is it just me?

Suffering comes from wishing things were different.