2016 Belgian Grand Prix - Fri 26 – Sun 28 Aug 2016

[Formula Wrong]

Verstappen on Dutch TV: “I’d rather drive them off the track then let them go in front of me”

Did he really say that???

This kid should not be in F1...

On German TV he literally said about the incident with Kimi, after being asked about it by the reporter: "I don't care".

(Lauda's comment to that was "This boy should be in the psychiatry" )

[Shrieker]

Ves was going to make the first corner had vettel and kimi not tangled. His other moves were dangerous and borderline legal, but legal nonetheless. That's why I think he got away.

Addendum: his comments about the battle with kimi are simply childish tho. Especially given the fact that horner was explaining to him in the pits under red flag that it wasn't kimi s fault, and instead was vettel s.

[basti313]

Nobody, which is the point.

If nobody, then it is still a question, not an answer.

You are not going to get 11 laps of good performance out of the supersofts. 4 or 5 laps at most. He would probably have profitted from a fresh set of softs, but I'm not sure if he had one left.

He had 1 New Medium, 3 New Softs and 1 New SuperSoft. You never know if it was 4 or 5, because it never happened.

Mercedes brought only two or one supersofts. He might have a one fresh soft but soft didn't show any better pace than mediums. Mediums were the only tires to push every lap

Plus the track temperature. At the end, the track temp was high as mad. This pushed everyone to the Mediums.

[LionKing]

Ves was going to make the first corner had vettel and kimi not tangled. His other moves were dangerous and borderline legal, but legal nonetheless. That's why I think he got away.

I don't think he would without collecting Kimi at the exit.

[GPR-A duplicate2]

If nobody, then it is still a question, not an answer.
He had 1 New Medium, 3 New Softs and 1 New SuperSoft. You never know if it was 4 or 5, because it never happened.

Mercedes brought only two or one supersofts. He might have a one fresh soft but soft didn't show any better pace than mediums. Mediums were the only tires to push every lap

Plus the track temperature. At the end, the track temp was high as mad. This pushed everyone to the Mediums.

Any source, or you just felt?

[ismail1991]

If nobody, then it is still a question, not an answer.
He had 1 New Medium, 3 New Softs and 1 New SuperSoft. You never know if it was 4 or 5, because it never happened.

Mercedes brought only two or one supersofts. He might have a one fresh soft but soft didn't show any better pace than mediums. Mediums were the only tires to push every lap

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All in all, not a bad recovery from 21st place. The car was set up for the race but didn't show better race pace compared to Nico. Hamilton should be happy, he recovered like that and he has 3 engines right now for the coming races

[GrizzleBoy]

Ves was going to make the first corner had vettel and kimi not tangled. His other moves were dangerous and borderline legal, but legal nonetheless. That's why I think he got away.

I don't think he would without collecting Kimi at the exit.

Precisely.

Not only that, but Max would not be interested in just making the turn, hed be happy to squeeze them off track at the exit to get ahead of them.

[wesley123]

You never know if it was 4 or 5, because it never happened.

You know your argument is flawed when you have to resort to such points.

It's a fact that the supersoft wouldn't have last 11 laps, why it's in doubt with you, I do not know. Pirelli's graph even rates them at max. 9 laps. So even if we are being generous, there is no way that Hamilton would be able to run 11 laps on them while still being more than 3 seconds faster per lap than is required. Oh, and then we still haven't added the fact that Hamilton would need to overtake them, which further complicates the whole situation.


The stint on supersofts wouldn't have worked, it's as simple as that

[Shrieker]

Hamilton s 3rd could be attributed to luck, but he kept his composure to take advantage of it in case an opportunity presented itself. Something he wouldn't (couldn't? ) have done five years ago, considering the iffy stuff that went down just ahead of him first at the start, and then with sainz s puncture a few laps later.

[GPR-A duplicate2]

You never know if it was 4 or 5, because it never happened.

You know your argument is flawed when you have to resort to such points.

It's a fact that the supersoft wouldn't have last 11 laps, why it's in doubt with you, I do not know. Pirelli's graph even rates them at max. 9 laps. So even if we are being generous, there is no way that Hamilton would be able to run 11 laps on them while still being more than 3 seconds faster per lap than is required. Oh, and then we still haven't added the fact that Hamilton would need to overtake them, which further complicates the whole situation.
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The stint on supersofts wouldn't have worked, it's as simple as that

Just because you think so? A FACT, is something that happened, not a fantasy that didn't. What happened in Germany? How did the premeditated/planned/FACT BASED race plan changed?

[Manjhi]

F1 is filled with hypocrites, Verstappen deserves at least 1 race ban for repeating such things at high against the same driver, Grosean was always criticized by F1 experts but this kiddo is seen as F1 future cham so no words here. There were many moves done on the same straight were safe, this kid needs to go to some rehabilitation program where Grosean went.

Amazing race by Hulkenberg (driver of the day) =D> =D> , still unlucky couldn't get his 1st podium and great speed shown by Force India again =D> =D> , at one point after Vettel got past ALO I thought he will attack PER but Ferrari just lacks the speed. Ferrari should be consider giving up those easily earned 70 million pounds to Force India, so that these guys could challenge the RB and Mercs.

Probably one of the amazing race I have saw this season, great moves by Perez, Vettel, Massa & Max Vers. =D> =D>

[basti313]

Mercedes brought only two or one supersofts. He might have a one fresh soft but soft didn't show any better pace than mediums. Mediums were the only tires to push every lap

Plus the track temperature. At the end, the track temp was high as mad. This pushed everyone to the Mediums.

Any source, or you just felt?
http://www.myweather2.com/images/hourby ... 1608280247

Mid 40 track temp according to german TV.

[wesley123]

Just because you think so? A FACT, is something that happened, not a fantasy that didn't.

Let's put the facts down:
-Pirelli rates the supersoft at 9 laps
- 9 is a lower number than 11
-For your suggestion to work, Hamilton needed to be more than 3 seconds a lap faster
-Tyres have wear
-The softer tires wear quicker than harder tires.
-Worn tires have less grip
-Hamiltons tires would have worn very much in between the 11 laps, as I'll say it once more as counting is difficult: 9 is less than 11

So yes, the fact is that it wouldn't have worked.

Oh, and you seem to think that just because something hasn't happened, your point is automatically true. Well, that's not the case. In fact, the fact that nobody did such a stint on the supersofts shows that it wouldn't have worked. Because yes, that's why they didn't run it, it doesn't work.
So while you seem to think that you are correct because something hasn't happened, the opposite is very much true. I'll say it again; Teams didn't do such a run on the supersoft, because it wouldn't have worked.

Oh, and I'll repeat this also once more:
9 is a lower number than 11.

[basti313]

Just because you think so? A FACT, is something that happened, not a fantasy that didn't.

Let's put the facts down:
-Pirelli rates the supersoft at 9 laps
- 9 is a lower number than 11
-For your suggestion to work, Hamilton needed to be more than 3 seconds a lap faster
-Tyres have wear
-The softer tires wear quicker than harder tires.
-Worn tires have less grip
-Hamiltons tires would have worn very much in between the 11 laps, as I'll say it once more as counting is difficult: 9 is less than 11

So yes, the fact is that it wouldn't have worked.

Oh, and you seem to think that just because something hasn't happened, your point is automatically true. Well, that's not the case. In fact, the fact that nobody did such a stint on the supersofts shows that it wouldn't have worked. Because yes, that's why they didn't run it, it doesn't work.
So while you seem to think that you are correct because something hasn't happened, the opposite is very much true. I'll say it again; Teams didn't do such a run on the supersoft, because it wouldn't have worked.

Oh, and I'll repeat this also once more:
9 is a lower number than 11.

Good post, but you are missing the point of the discussion.

[Sonador]

Funny that certain people just re appear in this thread to bash Verstappen.

Turn 1 was just a racing incident, great shame because he had shown great pace all weekend.
As for his racing tactics, it is not a reaking Sunday drive with mates.
Theye are fighting for points!!!
Those guys are the absolute best, and need to go to the limit.

I agree some of the moves were very very close (to the limit), but again that is how it should be.
Vettel did also some dodgy moves, nobody is talking about those ....

Banning Verstappen??
For what? What a load of BS is that ....

Come on guys, i know we fans are just as competitive as the drivers and teams are.
But if you look at things from a neutral perspective it is geat racing to watch.
And even funny because of the moaning, if its a moaning Raikonnen or a Verstappen, it makes me laugh so hard .... my wife is asking me if i am OK.

Great drive from Alonso, this is the Alonso that i love to see!