Fernando Alonso proved a happy man after Sunday's Belgian Grand Prix. The Spaniard finished 7th, having progressed through the field, before holding off competitors that would otherwise expected to be much quicker than the McLaren Honda package.
No that's an answer, a very clear one. It means nobody even considered the supersofts as a viable tyre to drive a stint, not even a small one. The only reason that for instance Verstappen started on the supersofts was because he was forced to.GPR-A wrote:If nobody, then it is still a question, not an answer.turbof1 wrote:Nobody, which is the point.
What if they delayed the last pit stop for 2 more laps then?wesley123 wrote:9 is a lower number than 11.
I think the same tactic was adopted by Perez and Grosean few years back and they got some bashing from the F1 driver community, Max deserves some bashing from drivers so that he could learn that he should respect the faster cars, Grosean also wanted to race on the same track in 2012(I think) and he almost killed Alonso at Turn 1, every body wants to defend their position, Max's move on Vettel was just brilliant in the turn-1 but at 300+ km/hr speed if you change your direction with a driver so close to you, you will get seriously injured for such crash.Sonador wrote:Funny that certain people just re appear in this thread to bash Verstappen.
Turn 1 was just a racing incident, great shame because he had shown great pace all weekend.
As for his racing tactics, it is not a reaking Sunday drive with mates.
Theye are fighting for points!!!
Those guys are the absolute best, and need to go to the limit.
I agree some of the moves were very very close (to the limit), but again that is how it should be.
Vettel did also some dodgy moves, nobody is talking about those ....
Banning Verstappen??
For what? What a load of BS is that ....
Come on guys, i know we fans are just as competitive as the drivers and teams are.
But if you look at things from a neutral perspective it is geat racing to watch.
And even funny because of the moaning, if its a moaning Raikonnen or a Verstappen, it makes me laugh so hard .... my wife is asking me if i am OK.
Great drive from Alonso, this is the Alonso that i love to see!
Just because you are basing the whole post on Pirelli's recommendation. Here is what Pirelli tells about each compound.wesley123 wrote: Let's put the facts down:
-Pirelli rates the supersoft at 9 laps
But look what happened in Germany. Rosberg did 22 laps on "USED" Softs, on his last stint, pushing and chasing the Red Bulls !!!"Pirelli recommends that the following numbers of laps are not exceeded on each compound," said the Italian manufacturer, subsequently giving the hards a maximum, of 26 laps, the mediums a limit of 28 and softs just 15 laps.
ahahahaManjhi wrote:F1 is filled with hypocrites, Verstappen deserves at least 1 race ban for repeating such things at high against the same driver, Grosean was always criticized by F1 experts but this kiddo is seen as F1 future cham so no words here. There were many moves done on the same straight were safe, this kid needs to go to some rehabilitation program where Grosean went.
Amazing race by Hulkenberg (driver of the day) =D> =D> , still unlucky couldn't get his 1st podium and great speed shown by Force India again =D> =D> , at one point after Vettel got past ALO I thought he will attack PER but Ferrari just lacks the speed. Ferrari should be consider giving up those easily earned 70 million pounds to Force India, so that these guys could challenge the RB and Mercs.
Probably one of the amazing race I have saw this season, great moves by Perez, Vettel, Massa & Max Vers. =D> =D>
I agree to put Pirelli's recommendations aside. However, several drivers already mentioned that the tyre does not last a full qualifying lap. Furthermore, the Q pace difference between the soft and the supersoft was about half a second.GPR-A wrote:Just because you are basing the whole post on Pirelli's recommendation. Here is what Pirelli tells about each compound.wesley123 wrote: Let's put the facts down:
-Pirelli rates the supersoft at 9 laps
Pirelli recommends stint limits for each compoundBut look what happened in Germany. Rosberg did 22 laps on "USED" Softs, on his last stint, pushing and chasing the Red Bulls !!!"Pirelli recommends that the following numbers of laps are not exceeded on each compound," said the Italian manufacturer, subsequently giving the hards a maximum, of 26 laps, the mediums a limit of 28 and softs just 15 laps.
Reality is, Pirelli is putting that restriction to save their a** from tyre blow outs and they are way too conservative numbers.
Based on that, your whole post is just fantasy.
I think Ferrari has not only disappointed it's fans but the whole F1 world by not delivering and taking back home some big amount of money, at the same time we have a team which just keeps punching above it's weight, it's looks like Ferrari will never get that P2 in constructors in2016 season because Force India will always be there to challenge them whenever they'll make slight mistake. Williams chances looks bleak, they will not get that P4 if they don't bring any update, because I think FI still has some new parts as updates and Bob fernely did say that the car will still improve in coming race. Monza will be interesting to watch, I hope FI crushes that free bee Ferrari. [-o<sosic2121 wrote: ahahaha
I think they should give them couple hundred millions to rename the team to Ferarri India
Isn't that's what was said even in Austria? The ultrasoft was going off in just one lap? But what happened in race? Lewis did a 21 lap first stint on them, with full race load, being chased by the two Ferraris on SuperSofts. And that too, after Saturday rain had washed off the rubber from the track.turbof1 wrote:However, several drivers already mentioned that the tyre does not last a full qualifying lap. Furthermore, the Q pace difference between the soft and the supersoft was about half a second.
Except it effectively did in this case: Vettel for instance did not have any grip exiting the last corner. Furthermore, this race effectively showed very high degradation of the tyres. Austria allowed for one stop strategies:GPR-A wrote:Isn't that's what was said even in Austria? The ultrasoft was going off in just one lap? But what happened in race? Lewis did a 21 lap first stint on them, with full race load, being chased by the two Ferraris on SuperSofts. And that too, after Saturday rain had washed off the rubber from the track.turbof1 wrote:However, several drivers already mentioned that the tyre does not last a full qualifying lap. Furthermore, the Q pace difference between the soft and the supersoft was about half a second.
Wow he is angry, never seen him that way.
Several drivers including a certain Mr Hamilton:turbof1 wrote:I agree to put Pirelli's recommendations aside. However, several drivers already mentioned that the tyre does not last a full qualifying lap. Furthermore, the Q pace difference between the soft and the supersoft was about half a second.GPR-A wrote:Just because you are basing the whole post on Pirelli's recommendation. Here is what Pirelli tells about each compound.wesley123 wrote: Let's put the facts down:
-Pirelli rates the supersoft at 9 laps
Pirelli recommends stint limits for each compoundBut look what happened in Germany. Rosberg did 22 laps on "USED" Softs, on his last stint, pushing and chasing the Red Bulls !!!"Pirelli recommends that the following numbers of laps are not exceeded on each compound," said the Italian manufacturer, subsequently giving the hards a maximum, of 26 laps, the mediums a limit of 28 and softs just 15 laps.
Reality is, Pirelli is putting that restriction to save their a** from tyre blow outs and they are way too conservative numbers.
Based on that, your whole post is just fantasy.
Palmer and Kvyat did 11 and 10 laps on SuperSoft today. Here is Palmer's stint.turbof1 wrote:Except it effectively did in this case: Vettel for instance did not have any grip exiting the last corner. Furthermore, this race effectively showed very high degradation of the tyres. Austria allowed for one stop strategies:
http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2016/07/03/2 ... pit-stops/
While you needed atleast 2 stops for Belgium:
http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2016/08/28/2 ... pit-stops/
Sorry, but you are effectively argueing with empty hands against comments from the drivers and the actions of the teams. If there was race pace in the supersofts, you would have seen them being used after the first stint.
Well, russia was kyiat's home race.Sonador wrote:Wow he is angry, never seen him that way.
I can translate it but i think you wil miss what he is talking about.
Basicly he feels that in turn 1 he could make the corner cleanly, but that the Ferrari's just turned in on him.
And on basis of that, he was very agressive in defending.
His floor was also heavily damaged.
I can somewhat understand the anger, because it was his home race.
