2016 Belgian Grand Prix - Fri 26 – Sun 28 Aug 2016

[Just_a_fan]

However, several drivers already mentioned that the tyre does not last a full qualifying lap. Furthermore, the Q pace difference between the soft and the supersoft was about half a second.

Isn't that's what was said even in Austria? The ultrasoft was going off in just one lap? But what happened in race? Lewis did a 21 lap first stint on them, with full race load, being chased by the two Ferraris on SuperSofts. And that too, after Saturday rain had washed off the rubber from the track.

What happened at another track on another day is basically irrelevant to today's race at Spa. The particular combination of circuit length and configuration, tarmac, temperature and tyres loads determine which tyre will work best. At this track on this weekend the super soft wasn't happy with one or more of those characteristics. Had it been much cooler then the decision might have been different.

The teams left super soft tyres on the racks. That tells you that they weren't working here, today.

[GPR-A duplicate2]

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However, several drivers already mentioned that the tyre does not last a full qualifying lap. Furthermore, the Q pace difference between the soft and the supersoft was about half a second.

Isn't that's what was said even in Austria? The ultrasoft was going off in just one lap? But what happened in race? Lewis did a 21 lap first stint on them, with full race load, being chased by the two Ferraris on SuperSofts. And that too, after Saturday rain had washed off the rubber from the track.

What happened at another track on another day is basically irrelevant to today's race at Spa. The particular combination of circuit length and configuration, tarmac, temperature and tyres loads determine which tyre will work best. At this track on this weekend the super soft wasn't happy with one or more of those characteristics. Had it been much cooler then the decision might have been different.

The teams left super soft tyres on the racks. That tells you that they weren't working here, today.

Same response to you too, that I gave turbof1.
Palmer and Kvyat did 11 and 10 laps on SuperSoft today. Here is Palmer's stint.
36 1:53.722
37 1:54.387
38 1:54.355
39 1:54.417
40 1:53.758
41 1:53.251
42 1:53.451
43 1:54.079
44 1:53.459

Before that stop, here are the times that he was doing on Mediums.
24 1:55.548
25 1:55.212
26 1:55.219
27 1:55.766
28 1:55.685
29 1:55.858
30 1:56.451
31 1:56.734
32 1:55.797
33 1:56.144

He was clearly, 3 seconds a lap faster. If he was 3 seconds faster with that car, you can imagine what that Mercedes could have done.

Now prove me, how was that rubber bad.
FIA - Lap Times

[Sonador]

I think the SS were bad on Friday and Saturday, but with the Temp drop on Sunday there were less issues with them.

Dont forget the Merc has very good earo, but also very much power.
That combined with the heat, made the tire look worse (blisters)

[siskue2005]

[Sonador]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfmjFg8WRzo

Can someone translate this?

Wow he is angry, never seen him that way.
I can translate it but i think you wil miss what he is talking about.

Basicly he feels that in turn 1 he could make the corner cleanly, but that the Ferrari's just turned in on him.
And on basis of that, he was very agressive in defending.

His floor was also heavily damaged.

I can somewhat understand the anger, because it was his home race.

Well, russia was kyiat's home race.

I wasn't happy then because i had a feeling RB replaced idiot with a bigger one...

Why call Kvyat and Verstappen idiots?
A bit uncalled for, both are very good.

Kvyat needs to find motivation and consintentcy, Verstappen needs more experience an calm a bit down.

[turbof1]

Isn't that's what was said even in Austria? The ultrasoft was going off in just one lap? But what happened in race? Lewis did a 21 lap first stint on them, with full race load, being chased by the two Ferraris on SuperSofts. And that too, after Saturday rain had washed off the rubber from the track.

What happened at another track on another day is basically irrelevant to today's race at Spa. The particular combination of circuit length and configuration, tarmac, temperature and tyres loads determine which tyre will work best. At this track on this weekend the super soft wasn't happy with one or more of those characteristics. Had it been much cooler then the decision might have been different.

The teams left super soft tyres on the racks. That tells you that they weren't working here, today.

Same response to you too, that I gave turbof1.
Palmer and Kvyat did 11 and 10 laps on SuperSoft today. Here is Palmer's stint.
36 1:53.722
37 1:54.387
38 1:54.355
39 1:54.417
40 1:53.758
41 1:53.251
42 1:53.451
43 1:54.079
44 1:53.459

Before that stop, here are the times that he was doing on Mediums.
24 1:55.548
25 1:55.212
26 1:55.219
27 1:55.766
28 1:55.685
29 1:55.858
30 1:56.451
31 1:56.734
32 1:55.797
33 1:56.144

He was clearly, 3 seconds a lap faster. If he was 3 seconds faster with that car, you can imagine what that Mercedes could have done.

Now prove me, how was that rubber bad.

fresh tyres and empty fuel tank. Ricciardo and Hamilton for instance had the same step in performance. Going from Soft to Medium. Just because you have a step in performance, does not mean it has the better potential. Not when you are driving to a delta time.

[Just_a_fan]

Except it effectively did in this case: Vettel for instance did not have any grip exiting the last corner. Furthermore, this race effectively showed very high degradation of the tyres. Austria allowed for one stop strategies:
http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2016/07/03/2 ... pit-stops/

While you needed atleast 2 stops for Belgium:
http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2016/08/28/2 ... pit-stops/

Sorry, but you are effectively argueing with empty hands against comments from the drivers and the actions of the teams. If there was race pace in the supersofts, you would have seen them being used after the first stint.

Palmer and Kvyat did 11 and 10 laps on SuperSoft today. Here is Palmer's stint.
36 1:53.722
37 1:54.387
38 1:54.355
39 1:54.417
40 1:53.758
41 1:53.251
42 1:53.451
43 1:54.079
44 1:53.459

Before that stop, here are the times that he was doing on Mediums.
24 1:55.548
25 1:55.212
26 1:55.219
27 1:55.766
28 1:55.685
29 1:55.858
30 1:56.451
31 1:56.734
32 1:55.797
33 1:56.144

He was clearly, 3 seconds a lap faster. If he was 3 seconds faster with that car, you can imagine what that Mercedes could have done.

Now prove me, how was that rubber bad.

Hamilton was doing 51s on used mediums. He'd have had to do 47/48s for 11 laps according to you. That is 11 pole laps on tyres that the day before struggled to do one pole lap.

Remember also that there is a huge difference in doing 53s laps and 48s laps on the same tyre. 5s per lap. No way the super soft would have done 11 laps at 1m48s.

[Wynters]

Palmer and Kvyat did 11 and 10 laps on SuperSoft today. Here is Palmer's stint.

Time difference
1.8 secs
0.9
0.9
1.3
1.9
2.6
3
2.7
2.3

I'm not sure how that equates to

He was clearly, 3 seconds a lap faster.

Add in the fuel difference between the two stints (on a very long track) and what's the actual speed difference? And you think Hamilton would've gone faster (average difference 1.9 seconds, not including time gained due to fuel loss), and overtaken Ric (whose times were set when not pushing)? That's optimistic.

Now prove me, how was that rubber bad.

No one used it. Not even the desperate.

[turbof1]

I also like to point out that Palmer had to use the supersoft in his last stint since that was his only unused set left.

[MrBlacky]

Can someone please tell me when Lewis & Co changed tyres the first time? I thought it is forbidden under red flag conditions.

[De Jokke]

Wow what a race!

But no stewards available it seemed. It's a total disgrace what Verstappen does on track. First Hungary, now Belgian GP. He will get someone seriously injured with that kind of dirty driving.
Not once but multiple incidents, not only with kimi, it's really boiling over, RBR should talk some sense into this KID.
Hope this will open many people' eyes about the "max hype"...

Alonso, amazing drive! =D>

Ricciardo, funny as ever on the podium with Webber

[GPR-A duplicate2]

Hamilton was doing 51s on used mediums. He'd have had to do 47/48s for 11 laps according to you. That is 11 pole laps on tyres that the day before struggled to do one pole lap.

Remember also that there is a huge difference in doing 53s laps and 48s laps on the same tyre. 5s per lap. No way the super soft would have done 11 laps at 1m48s.

Meh.... He was doing 1:53.3xx before pitting and my argument is that, he should have been 3 second faster on that time. So it was around 1.50.xxx.

[turbof1]

@GPR-A (something about waking up and a question about when Hamilton had used medium tyres on; post got removed by the user): in his final stint. After Q yesterday he had 1 fresh set of mediums and 1 used. He started on mediums and his final stint was on mediums. I'm guessing, but I think he started on the fresh set, and ended on the used set.

In all probability, he could have done 1:50s on fresh softs. He had 3 fresh softs when he started the GP, beats me why they preferred a used medium set over a fresh soft set.

[GPR-A duplicate2]

Guys here, from denying that the SuperSofts wouldn't have lasted for few laps to now arguing it differently, after looking at the Palmer's numbers, I like the change in your thinking.

Need to leave.... have fun. Tada.

[Just_a_fan]

Hamilton was doing 51s on used mediums. He'd have had to do 47/48s for 11 laps according to you. That is 11 pole laps on tyres that the day before struggled to do one pole lap.

Remember also that there is a huge difference in doing 53s laps and 48s laps on the same tyre. 5s per lap. No way the super soft would have done 11 laps at 1m48s.

Meh.... He was doing 1:53.3xx before pitting and my argument is that, he should have been 3 second faster on that time. So it was around 1.50.xxx.

Meh, 1.50 wouldn't have caught Rosberg nor would it have caught Ricciardo with enough rubber left to challenge.

The super soft was not the correct tyre. Claiming that Mercedes didn't give it to Hamilton in order to protect Rosberg (your original point I think) was just silly.