2017 Italian Grand Prix - Monza, 1-3 September

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evered7 wrote:
03 Sep 2017, 16:24
Silent Storm wrote:
03 Sep 2017, 16:13
evered7 wrote:
03 Sep 2017, 16:09


Vettel took Ocon and Stroll before the pits. That is what I was mentioning. He lost big time behind them in the first stint. Couldn't overtake and hence had to go for an alternative strategy. Ferrari screwed him with a slow stop as well, didn't they?
He had overtaken Stroll and then lost the place to Stroll after a couple of laps because there were some issues with his car.
He got Bottas at the start but lost it at the end of the lap. He was behind Stroll all the while till the pits where a slow Williams pitstop got him the place. He overtook Ocon after following him around for 4 laps.

I don't think he got Stroll in the first stint at all. He has a worse record in Singapore. Should be frustrating for Ferrari with the second car.
My bad, he was already ahead and you can see he was complaining about having no grip on rear despite his engineer informing him the tyres are in peak temperature, Kimi said in post race interview that he nearly spun 3-4 times as he had no grip on rear and lost place to Bottas then Vettel.

It's frustrating that Ferrari can't give Vettel a fast car, this has gone from Vet vs Ham to Mercedes vs Ferrari now because these two drivers are just too consistent and the one with a faster car will win.
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Phil wrote:
03 Sep 2017, 16:23
He was probably wishing he had been a Ferrari driver in that moment. Simply spectacular crowd, just driving for the wrong team.

I still think, Vettel may walk away from Singapore being the leader again. Much depends on how strong RedBull will be. We will see though... still a long season ahead.
Mercedes were really slow in 2015 at Singapore but in 2016 Rosberg put a decent performance and in 2014 Lewis did a fantastic job. Overall we can't say it's an anti-Mercedes track

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Spoutnik wrote:
03 Sep 2017, 16:31
Phil wrote:
03 Sep 2017, 16:23
He was probably wishing he had been a Ferrari driver in that moment. Simply spectacular crowd, just driving for the wrong team.

I still think, Vettel may walk away from Singapore being the leader again. Much depends on how strong RedBull will be. We will see though... still a long season ahead.
Mercedes were really slow in 2015 at Singapore but in 2016 Rosberg put a decent performance and in 2014 Lewis did a fantastic job. Overall we can't say it's an anti-Mercedes track
But now they have a longer wheelbase car, which will make Singapore more difficult.

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Phil wrote:
03 Sep 2017, 16:23
He was probably wishing he had been a Ferrari driver in that moment. Simply spectacular crowd, just driving for the wrong team.
That wouldbe a very poor excuse for the poor behaviour of an idiotic crowd. Every country that putsa grand prix, has respectable crowd that cheers the winning driver. These buggers are Sore losers .

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GPR-A wrote:
03 Sep 2017, 16:39
Phil wrote:
03 Sep 2017, 16:23
He was probably wishing he had been a Ferrari driver in that moment. Simply spectacular crowd, just driving for the wrong team.
That wouldbe a very poor excuse for the poor behaviour of an idiotic crowd. Every country that putsa grand prix, has respectable crowd that cheers the winning driver. These buggers are Sore losers .
Tell that to Vettel, haha. How many times did he get booed? Every country is the same man.

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GPR-A wrote:
03 Sep 2017, 16:39
Phil wrote:
03 Sep 2017, 16:23
He was probably wishing he had been a Ferrari driver in that moment. Simply spectacular crowd, just driving for the wrong team.
That wouldbe a very poor excuse for the poor behaviour of an idiotic crowd. Every country that putsa grand prix, has respectable crowd that cheers the winning driver. These buggers are Sore losers .
Exactly. We have had booing before but there has always been 'reasons' for it such as taking a home driver out.
What exactly was the reason for the booing today? No other season other than the Ferraris lost. Poor sportsmanship end of.

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Schuttelberg wrote:
03 Sep 2017, 16:15
The crowd clearly got to Lewis..
And I for one was perfectly happy to see him stand up to them. The Mercedes PU comment being better, was sublime, just like his performance this weekend.
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Gothrek wrote:
03 Sep 2017, 16:44
GPR-A wrote:
03 Sep 2017, 16:39
Phil wrote:
03 Sep 2017, 16:23
He was probably wishing he had been a Ferrari driver in that moment. Simply spectacular crowd, just driving for the wrong team.
That wouldbe a very poor excuse for the poor behaviour of an idiotic crowd. Every country that putsa grand prix, has respectable crowd that cheers the winning driver. These buggers are Sore losers .
Tell that to Vettel, haha. How many times did he get booed? Every country is the same man.
Vettel has thrown his car at another driver in frustration. He saw quite a bit of booing after multil2-1. I think he's earned most of the booing he's received.
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Re: 2017 Italian Grand Prix - Monza, 1-3 September

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Gothrek wrote:
03 Sep 2017, 16:44
GPR-A wrote:
03 Sep 2017, 16:39
Phil wrote:
03 Sep 2017, 16:23
He was probably wishing he had been a Ferrari driver in that moment. Simply spectacular crowd, just driving for the wrong team.
That wouldbe a very poor excuse for the poor behaviour of an idiotic crowd. Every country that putsa grand prix, has respectable crowd that cheers the winning driver. These buggers are Sore losers .
Tell that to Vettel, haha. How many times did he get booed? Every country is the same man.
You seem to be confusing warranted booing and the unwarranted booing today just because the Ferraris lost.

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especially for Verstappen starting from 13th in the 13th race.
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Gothrek wrote:
03 Sep 2017, 16:44
GPR-A wrote:
03 Sep 2017, 16:39
That wouldbe a very poor excuse for the poor behaviour of an idiotic crowd. Every country that putsa grand prix, has respectable crowd that cheers the winning driver. These buggers are Sore losers .
Tell that to Vettel, haha. How many times did he get booed? Every country is the same man.
Vettel has thrown his car at another driver in frustration. He saw quite a bit of booing after multil2-1. I think he's earned most of the booing he's received.

Restomaniac wrote:
03 Sep 2017, 16:45
What exactly was the reason for the booing today? No other season other than the Ferraris lost. Poor sportsmanship end of.
1- his skin color
2- that he just overtook Schumaker's record
3- the tifosi today had to suffer through an embarrassing performance
4- the last win at home was in 2010
5- it's tolerated by Ferrari, when they defended their own drive for throwing his car at a competetito
6- the writing is on the wall

There are a lot of reasons.
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TAG wrote:
03 Sep 2017, 16:53
Gothrek wrote:
03 Sep 2017, 16:44
GPR-A wrote:
03 Sep 2017, 16:39
That wouldbe a very poor excuse for the poor behaviour of an idiotic crowd. Every country that putsa grand prix, has respectable crowd that cheers the winning driver. These buggers are Sore losers .
Tell that to Vettel, haha. How many times did he get booed? Every country is the same man.
Vettel has thrown his car at another driver in frustration. He saw quite a bit of booing after multil2-1. I think he's earned most of the booing he's received.
Indeed. Today wasn't a 'simply spectacular crowd' as another posters stated. It was in fact a massive dummy spit.

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TAG wrote:
03 Sep 2017, 16:53
Gothrek wrote:
03 Sep 2017, 16:44


Tell that to Vettel, haha. How many times did he get booed? Every country is the same man.
Vettel has thrown his car at another driver in frustration. He saw quite a bit of booing after multil2-1. I think he's earned most of the booing he's received.

Restomaniac wrote:
03 Sep 2017, 16:45
What exactly was the reason for the booing today? No other season other than the Ferraris lost. Poor sportsmanship end of.
1- his skin color
2- that he just overtook Schumaker's record
3- the tifosi today had to suffer through an embarrassing performance
4- the last win at home was in 2010
5- it's tolerated by Ferrari, when they defended their own drive for throwing his car at a competetito
6- the writing is on the wall

There are a lot of reasons.
Indeed but none of them really deserve the booing. As it's not Lewis' fault he is black, brilliant, too good for Ferrari, Ferrari have been crapola at home for almost a decade, didn't ram an opponent off the track and it's going to become a precession again.
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Mercedes power is better than Ferrari power. Was the booing before or after this statement. If it was after, then he asked for it. If it was before, then it was unwarranted. Vettel went through quite some booing because he was winning all the races. Nothing else there.

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evered7 wrote:
03 Sep 2017, 17:02
Mercedes power is better than Ferrari power. Was the booing before or after this statement. If it was after, then he asked for it. If it was before, then it was unwarranted. Vettel went through quite some booing because he was winning all the races. Nothing else there.
Before. His comment was him replying.

I don't remember Vettel being booed until he started acting like a petulant child. I don't dislike Seb BTW but he was child like but he has grown up a lot which is why the booing has stopped. Today was pathetic.