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New T-wing with Aluminium support

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Now this is exciting to see.

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mitsmania wrote:
14 Sep 2017, 09:52
New T-wing with Aluminium support

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DJqrPIBVYAAhJZF?format=jpg

Now this is exciting to see.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DJqqTWqXoAAq6UJ?format=jpg


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Looks Badass!!

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mitsmania wrote:
14 Sep 2017, 09:52
New T-wing with Aluminium support

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DJqrPIBVYAAhJZF?format=jpg

Now this is exciting to see.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DJqqTWqXoAAq6UJ?format=jpg

PC - Albert Fabrega
So what's the point of all this little wings? Do they help to direct the airflow better to the rear wing?

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Halo not as bad as we thought

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skoop wrote:
14 Sep 2017, 11:56
mitsmania wrote:
14 Sep 2017, 09:52
New T-wing with Aluminium support

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DJqrPIBVYAAhJZF?format=jpg

Now this is exciting to see.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DJqqTWqXoAAq6UJ?format=jpg

PC - Albert Fabrega
So what's the point of all this little wings? Do they help to direct the airflow better to the rear wing?
It helps to direct flow into the rear wing, notice the winglets are directing the air downwards away from the center. It also helps stop the air from "leaking" onto the other side while the car turns into sharp corners improving entry speeds, which is quite abundant in Singapore.
Halo not as bad as we thought

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skoop wrote:
14 Sep 2017, 11:56
So what's the point of all this little wings? Do they help to direct the airflow better to the rear wing?
PRobably similar in execution to the plate Williams has in that area. I believe it is used to prevent vortex creation at the top of the fin, which would primarily happen, and be undesirable, under yaw.
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mitsmania wrote:
14 Sep 2017, 09:52
New T-wing with Aluminium support

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DJqrPIBVYAAhJZF?format=jpg


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Gillette a new sponsor ?

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wesley123 wrote:
14 Sep 2017, 13:20
skoop wrote:
14 Sep 2017, 11:56
So what's the point of all this little wings? Do they help to direct the airflow better to the rear wing?
PRobably similar in execution to the plate Williams has in that area. I believe it is used to prevent vortex creation at the top of the fin, which would primarily happen, and be undesirable, under yaw.
Craig Scarborough said in tweet that,
the fins should create a strong vortex pushing down on the rear wing.

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I think its to drive more air underneath the RW

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BloodLad91 wrote:
14 Sep 2017, 13:27
wesley123 wrote:
14 Sep 2017, 13:20
skoop wrote:
14 Sep 2017, 11:56
So what's the point of all this little wings? Do they help to direct the airflow better to the rear wing?
PRobably similar in execution to the plate Williams has in that area. I believe it is used to prevent vortex creation at the top of the fin, which would primarily happen, and be undesirable, under yaw.
Craig Scarborough said in tweet that,
the fins should create a strong vortex pushing down on the rear wing.
I'm not sure what the point of that would be, certainly if you consider the cut-out in the rear wing flap that, I believe, every team runs.

Also, the T-wing would be in it's path, so if anything this vortex would affect the T-wing and not the rear wing.
And even if it would make a sharp downward turn, it would hit the rear wing pillar.

I don't think generating a vortex in this area would be beneficial for the rear wing, especially when this could be done closer to the rear wing.
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wesley123 wrote:
14 Sep 2017, 16:18
BloodLad91 wrote:
14 Sep 2017, 13:27
wesley123 wrote:
14 Sep 2017, 13:20


PRobably similar in execution to the plate Williams has in that area. I believe it is used to prevent vortex creation at the top of the fin, which would primarily happen, and be undesirable, under yaw.
Craig Scarborough said in tweet that,
the fins should create a strong vortex pushing down on the rear wing.
I'm not sure what the point of that would be, certainly if you consider the cut-out in the rear wing flap that, I believe, every team runs.

Also, the T-wing would be in it's path, so if anything this vortex would affect the T-wing and not the rear wing.
And even if it would make a sharp downward turn, it would hit the rear wing pillar.

I don't think generating a vortex in this area would be beneficial for the rear wing, especially when this could be done closer to the rear wing.
The vortex collectively generated by fins on either side will pass underneath t- wing and onto rear wing, the midwing above airbox will help it by creating downwash.

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It's also to stop air spilling easily over the shark fin.
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BloodLad91 wrote:
14 Sep 2017, 16:30
wesley123 wrote:
14 Sep 2017, 16:18
I'm not sure what the point of that would be, certainly if you consider the cut-out in the rear wing flap that, I believe, every team runs.

Also, the T-wing would be in it's path, so if anything this vortex would affect the T-wing and not the rear wing.
And even if it would make a sharp downward turn, it would hit the rear wing pillar.

I don't think generating a vortex in this area would be beneficial for the rear wing, especially when this could be done closer to the rear wing.
The vortex collectively generated by fins on either side will pass underneath t- wing and onto rear wing, the midwing above airbox will help it by creating downwash.
Doubt that as it would need to travel a long way down, plus generate a large vortex(and not a strong one) that would be influenced by the low pressure zone of the T-wing.

There doesn't seem much point to actually generating a vortex there if you also consider the free area that allows the T-wing and that the rear wing is much bigger than only the center.
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wesley123 wrote:
14 Sep 2017, 19:07
BloodLad91 wrote:
14 Sep 2017, 16:30
wesley123 wrote:
14 Sep 2017, 16:18
I'm not sure what the point of that would be, certainly if you consider the cut-out in the rear wing flap that, I believe, every team runs.

Also, the T-wing would be in it's path, so if anything this vortex would affect the T-wing and not the rear wing.
And even if it would make a sharp downward turn, it would hit the rear wing pillar.

I don't think generating a vortex in this area would be beneficial for the rear wing, especially when this could be done closer to the rear wing.
The vortex collectively generated by fins on either side will pass underneath t- wing and onto rear wing, the midwing above airbox will help it by creating downwash.
Doubt that as it would need to travel a long way down, plus generate a large vortex(and not a strong one) that would be influenced by the low pressure zone of the T-wing.

There doesn't seem much point to actually generating a vortex there if you also consider the free area that allows the T-wing and that the rear wing is much bigger than only the center.
Well I'm not an expert by any stretch and can't help but only speculate, imo the fins arrangement will create vortex and like you said it won't (shouldn't) go through t-wing, it will go underneath t-wing arrangement whether it goes onto/underneath/over rear wing and how it will bring performance for that we have to wait for expert opinion or an article after race.

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