2018 McLaren F1 Team - Renault

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PlatinumZealot wrote:
Tue Jun 12, 2018 1:20 am
PhillipM wrote:
Mon Jun 11, 2018 7:37 pm
Nothing, but then they might be able to solve their tyre/suspension issues without noticable new parts, larger/more sensitive pistons in the dampers, etc.
And they don't have to worry about not being able to switch the hypersofts on properly for qualifying either.

I only hear bits and pieces so I can't comment on anything bar there's some new BB parts.
The Hopefulls are blaming the suspension for their own comfort. I say Suspension problems are just too easy to solve mathematically for these big teams. You know what is hard to solve mathematically though? Yup. You guessed it. Shoddy aerodynamic correlation!
Hell, blaming it on suspensions is so easy when a Niagara falls of dodgy data chokes the database and things are too advanced to start over. McLaren know they messed up royally. The car was supposed to be within half a second of RedBull remember? Yes we are told (ask stoffel ;-) ) the aero balance is great and all. That means something's working right. But no Mclaren boss is talking about the piss poor downforce to drag ratio. Someone screwed up. Tim Goss took the fall. But he aint the head of aero. Peter Prodromu is. But guess what. Pete is zak's star signing.. Can't fire that guy without losing credibility.
Uhh. That's just plain bs. Peter Prod has been at McLaren since before Zak was even in the picture. TBH, I dont think he is the problem anyway.

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i made right decision by not watching the race. as much i followed the weekend looked like they lost most of time in sector 2 so looks like accelerating out of slow corners is their Achilles heal.
as a fan i am furious because management keeps selling BS to their Fan. we all know Alonso is the man sitting between Mclaren and utter embarrassment. you pull him out of team and they gonna match williams soon. 1/3 season is gone . promised updates have come and go and promised "Big step" has not come. i agree with "Platinum", Peter is not an alternative to Newey. he has no where to hide after honda is gone.

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PlatinumZealot wrote:
Tue Jun 12, 2018 1:20 am
PhillipM wrote:
Mon Jun 11, 2018 7:37 pm
Nothing, but then they might be able to solve their tyre/suspension issues without noticable new parts, larger/more sensitive pistons in the dampers, etc.
And they don't have to worry about not being able to switch the hypersofts on properly for qualifying either.

I only hear bits and pieces so I can't comment on anything bar there's some new BB parts.
The Hopefulls are blaming the suspension for their own comfort. I say Suspension problems are just too easy to solve mathematically for these big teams. You know what is hard to solve mathematically though? Yup. You guessed it. Shoddy aerodynamic correlation!
Hell, blaming it on suspensions is so easy when a Niagara falls of dodgy data chokes the database and things are too advanced to start over. McLaren know they messed up royally. The car was supposed to be within half a second of RedBull remember? Yes we are told (ask stoffel ;-) ) the aero balance is great and all. That means something's working right. But no Mclaren boss is talking about the piss poor downforce to drag ratio. Someone screwed up. Tim Goss took the fall. But he aint the head of aero. Peter Prodromu is. But guess what. Pete is zak's star signing.. Can't fire that guy without losing credibility.
I can't comment on the technical aspects of your comments, but it makes zero sense firing Tim Goss for Prodromou's "mistakes", especially somebody who's as prominent and long serving as Tim Goss. Also, Zak didn't hire Prodromou, he rejoined Mclaren in September 2014. So at least some parts of your argument is inaccurate.
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max_speed wrote:
Tue Jun 12, 2018 3:08 am
i made right decision by not watching the race. as much i followed the weekend looked like they lost most of time in sector 2 so looks like accelerating out of slow corners is their Achilles heal.
as a fan i am furious because management keeps selling BS to their Fan. we all know Alonso is the man sitting between Mclaren and utter embarrassment. you pull him out of team and they gonna match williams soon. 1/3 season is gone . promised updates have come and go and promised "Big step" has not come. i agree with "Platinum", Peter is not an alternative to Newey. he has no where to hide after honda is gone.
They lost 0.6 in sec 1 & 2 and 0.8 in 3

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Jacinto wrote:
Mon Jun 11, 2018 5:03 pm
godlameroso wrote:
Mon Jun 11, 2018 5:01 pm
!Technical wrote:
Mon Jun 11, 2018 2:07 pm
Despite all the issues, I'm quite positive that Alonso will be able to get a podium in the next race. Actually, he is in with a good chance to win. =)
New development? :wtf:
Alonso next race is 24 Hours of Le Mans
Why is it in the Mclaren Team tread ?? :o :o

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Now everyone's after Peter Prodomou for no reason but speculative finger pointing. The reality is the engine and few other design changes hit them harder than anticipated. It'l take time but will be fixed. No one is immune to mistakes; Newey's design team messed up in 2004 too but came back strong late in the season and the next one.

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mclaren111 wrote:
Tue Jun 12, 2018 9:31 am
Jacinto wrote:
Mon Jun 11, 2018 5:03 pm
godlameroso wrote:
Mon Jun 11, 2018 5:01 pm


New development? :wtf:
Alonso next race is 24 Hours of Le Mans
Why is it in the Mclaren Team tread ?? :o :o
Well it's about the McLaren Driver Fernando Alonso. I think it's ok to scratch his WEC Journey roughly, as long as we're not Discussing the Races or the Car in here.
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What kind of track is Paul Ricard?
What corners?
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GoranF1 wrote:
Tue Jun 12, 2018 10:00 am
What kind of track is Paul Ricard?
What corners?
Left and right

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Thunder wrote:
Tue Jun 12, 2018 9:36 am
mclaren111 wrote:
Tue Jun 12, 2018 9:31 am
Jacinto wrote:
Mon Jun 11, 2018 5:03 pm


Alonso next race is 24 Hours of Le Mans
Why is it in the Mclaren Team tread ?? :o :o
Well it's about the McLaren Driver Fernando Alonso. I think it's ok to scratch his WEC Journey roughly, as long as we're not Discussing the Races or the Car in here.
No problem :D :D

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GoranF1 wrote:
Tue Jun 12, 2018 10:00 am
What kind of track is Paul Ricard?
What corners?
Mid-low speed and long straights

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GoranF1 wrote:
Tue Jun 12, 2018 10:00 am
What kind of track is Paul Ricard?
What corners?
Mostly 3rd gear corners in the region of 130 - 150 kph.

There's 1 corner a bit like 130R (Courbe de Signes), albeit a right-hander, that leads almost immediately into a close cousin of the Spoon curve.

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i think high downforce setup is necesarry here, even though it has some straights

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i made right decision by not watching the race. as much i followed the weekend looked like they lost most of time in sector 2 so looks like accelerating out of slow corners is their Achilles heal.
as a fan i am furious because management keeps selling BS to their Fan. we all know Alonso is the man sitting between Mclaren and utter embarrassment. you pull him out of team and they gonna match williams soon. 1/3 season is gone . promised updates have come and go and promised "Big step" has not come. i agree with "Platinum", Peter is not an alternative to Newey. he has no where to hide after honda is gone.
i quite agree that without alonso mclaren will be struggling . alonso is getting the best of the car currently. the true performance is probably vandornes pace. mclaren lucky they have alonso and yes peter is not in newey level

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You need to understand basic physics. Alonso may be a great driver, but he cannot make a car go after than it is capable of going. Therefore the true pace of the car is the pace that Alonso gets out of it.
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