I am not anti Honda. Sorry if I came across that way. But in no way am I against Honda. I merely had a humourous stab on the forum, regarding some things certain people have been requesting from Toro Rosso recently (slimmer bodywork and higher downforce setups) and then called someone out on the crap they posted.GhostF1 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 07, 2018 3:01 pmI didn't say they didn't agree to parameters in 2015. I said they requested more space and we're denied it by McLaren years later... So yeah, obviously no teamwork going on there.Alonso Fan wrote: ↑Sat Jul 07, 2018 2:39 pmBut red bull packaging it tight would effectively be doing the same thing. They'd be 'forcing' it into a tighter space than its currently been running in the Toro RossoGhostF1 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 07, 2018 11:22 am
Probably, but thats a good thing.
Still a better methodology than saying no to the engine manufacturer when they request more room to increase reliability and performance..
TR granted that and look what we see, a huge improvement. And even after the size increase, McLaren signing Renault, probably because of the equally French Eric Boullier, are lumped with a larger and heavier unit if Adrian Newey's comments are to be believed.
And we both know mclaren requested a size and Honda agreed. No one forced anyone
RBR will act as a works team. There will be genuine back and forth between the two and I highly doubt Red Bull will do anything to sacrifice reliability based on the past 3 years.
I'm not sure why you are so anti-Honda, even now. Based on Renault's reliability this year with turbo's dropping left right and centre, you should be just as critical of them. I can't deal with wildly speculative claims of failure and doom for a car & PU package that doesn't even exist yet..
The reason I may come across as more in favour of mclaren is because my favourite driver drives for them. And also people shift the blame for the demise of the partnership all onto mclaren where the reality is that both sides failed in their own way and both were equally responsible.
Any how let's get this back on topic.
Hartley is OK. Honda has been looking good at least in the power side of things this year too. We see them developing out of the spotlight and making progress. But next year they will be back in the spotlight. And a brighter one than before