More details about McLaren's technical leadership changes are becoming public as it has now become clear that Toro Rosso's highly valued technical director, James Key, is set to join McLaren in the same role.
I mean, transmission I understanding. But both suspensions AND packaging? Kinda ridiculous. I think Haas even uses Ferrari's wind tunnel.Ground Effect wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 5:56 pmI agree, it should be allowed for brand new entrants, and even that should be for a specific nbr of seasons. Everyone should build their car or buy the listed parts from an independent supplier, not a competing team.
It's difficult to judge what can or what can't be bought from elsewhere, or made in a different factory. I think now the rule is that you have to own the IP to the chassis. HAAS designs but they they let Dalara manufacture it. But all teams buy their wheels from somewhere, most of them buy/lease gearboxes from others, the hole PU of course.. where to draw the line? Just whisbones? but the damper you can source from elsewhere? Software and ECU comes from McLaren anyway. Isn't what HAAS and STR doing not just smart? or maybe, could McLaren for instance see it as a opportunity and sell parts like gearboxes or suspension elements to other teams and make a bit of money that way, in which they are in need (their last financial report stated that they are selling off around 25% of their heritage collection smaller the gap Honda left). Isn't supplying high tech companies with high tech solutions one of the businesses of McLaren?M840TR wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 6:17 pmI mean, transmission I understanding. But both suspensions AND packaging? Kinda ridiculous. I think Haas even uses Ferrari's wind tunnel.Ground Effect wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 5:56 pmI agree, it should be allowed for brand new entrants, and even that should be for a specific nbr of seasons. Everyone should build their car or buy the listed parts from an independent supplier, not a competing team.
Transmission is engine specific so extra R&D costs would negate any profit made. Rear suspension, transmission and packaging are closely linked so their needs to be synchronicity. Even though technically possible, buying it from a constructor is more viable.Jolle wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 6:39 pmIt's difficult to judge what can or what can't be bought from elsewhere, or made in a different factory. I think now the rule is that you have to own the IP to the chassis. HAAS designs but they they let Dalara manufacture it. But all teams buy their wheels from somewhere, most of them buy/lease gearboxes from others, the hole PU of course.. where to draw the line? Just whisbones? but the damper you can source from elsewhere? Software and ECU comes from McLaren anyway. Isn't what HAAS and STR doing not just smart? or maybe, could McLaren for instance see it as a opportunity and sell parts like gearboxes or suspension elements to other teams and make a bit of money that way, in which they are in need (their last financial report stated that they are selling off around 25% of their heritage collection smaller the gap Honda left). Isn't supplying high tech companies with high tech solutions one of the businesses of McLaren?M840TR wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 6:17 pmI mean, transmission I understanding. But both suspensions AND packaging? Kinda ridiculous. I think Haas even uses Ferrari's wind tunnel.Ground Effect wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 5:56 pm
I agree, it should be allowed for brand new entrants, and even that should be for a specific nbr of seasons. Everyone should build their car or buy the listed parts from an independent supplier, not a competing team.
That's a good reason to keep James Key away. I bet you Newey had been working with Key on the development of the PU fitting.
Which is exactly why people need to realise McLaren still need time to find themselves again, sure they will try and hire more new staff to.Jackles-UK wrote: ↑Wed Oct 10, 2018 1:14 amKey is planned for a big push as soon as they can nail him down. If they were able to get in Key before the end of this season (which, for the record, I don’t think they can) they should 100% do it as soon as they can to help him settle into the new team and put measures/procedures in place ready for that big push, maybe in 2020 but more likely 2021.
Familiarity breeds stability.
Stability breeds confidence.
Confidence breeds progress.
It’s the same in all industries, not just F1. How many top heads have left Mercedes in the past 5-6 years? It’s no coincidence that they set the bar at the moment in terms of what a team can accomplish and the rock solid stability and trust in one another has been mentioned by Hamilton and Toto as a key factor as to the way they go about things.
That is what McLaren did this year to STR to destabilize them and render their developments meaningless. So an eye for an eye. What, Zak didn't think STR would just let Key go, did he? That they announced his signing pissed off Redbull, and this is their response. Key likely won't be involved in the 2019 a-spec chassis, maybe the b-spec.
Same could be said about PUs. It's not like STR started this trend, blame Ferrari. What you are suggesting is that small teams eventually have to become winning teams with huge RD budgets, so that goes counter to lower costs. But let's be serious, F1 has always been that the more resources you are willing to spend, the higher the results. Ironic that McLaren fans here are complaining about new entry teams and how they should be limited. Sounds to me like a has-been company that no longer has much of a technological advantage. Maybe McLaren ought to buy a customer chassis until they get their ducks in order.Ground Effect wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 5:56 pmI agree, it should be allowed for brand new entrants, and even that should be for a specific nbr of seasons. Everyone should build their car or buy the listed parts from an independent supplier, not a competing team.
ispano6 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 11, 2018 7:07 amThat is what McLaren did this year to STR to destabilize them and render their developments meaningless. So an eye for an eye. What, Zak didn't think STR would just let Key go, did he? That they announced his signing pissed off Redbull, and this is their response. Key likely won't be involved in the 2019 a-spec chassis, maybe the b-spec.
Very basic information but good to know the MCL34 has "many thousands of hours’ development" already.
If the Ferrari management were as ruthless in sacking people as it used to be, it could happen. But maybe it's too good to be true.diffuser wrote: ↑Fri Oct 12, 2018 7:55 pmhttps://www.gpfans.com/en/articles/2960 ... t-ferrari/
Wouldn't that be interesting, even if it was just for the remainder of the year .....
3,582 have signed, wow that's impressive.diffuser wrote: ↑Fri Oct 12, 2018 7:55 pmhttps://www.gpfans.com/en/articles/2960 ... t-ferrari/
Wouldn't that be interesting, even if it was just for the remainder of the year .....
