Raikkonen is the prefect example of a driver who gave back. He stuck around for 2 years in a dog of a car after his title and then after driving off into the sunset he returned.GrandAxe wrote: ↑15 Apr 2019, 19:49"Hate"? Use of such strong words hint at a personal attack, which is the ultimate giveaway of a person who is empty off any valid counter-argument.Vasconia wrote: ↑15 Apr 2019, 09:59Your hate for Nico make you say some very weird things. As any other driver he has the right to comment the races. In which dimension is this to be disrespectful? You can criticize that he lef the sport without defending the title but he had the right to do and this has nothing to do with his role as a commentator.GrandAxe wrote: ↑14 Apr 2019, 12:40
You've just listed many of the reasons many don't like to see Nico commenting around the paddock. He won a championship and failed to defend it, which is the minimum expected of a champion to keep any sport going or interesting.
Imagine if Schumacher have retired after his first WDC, or Usain Bolt after his first medal, or Muhammed Ali after his first knock out etc.
There is something wrong about someone who ran off, only to come back and talk so much about the abilities of others who have stuck in the heat for the benefit of the sport.
It is disrespectful, especially to the other WDC's on the grid (Lewis - 5 time, Seb - 4 time, Kimi 1 time and last year, Alonso - 2 time).
Sky most likely brought him back for the controversy, in this brand new world of click marketing and zero values.
Sports revolves around champions proving their pedigree and awing the spectators - at the heart of sport is the very fundamental ethos of competition. Any sport will soon wither and die without worthy champions.
In this way, any one who runs off after a championship has deeply wronged that sport; further, it only gives the distinct impression that deep in their minds they do not feel they earned it, but were simply lucky.
A person who doesn't feel up to the task has no right whatsoever to comment on those who who can, especially drivers who are single or multiple WDC's (Kimi, Alonso, Vettel and Lewis). It doesn't speak of character. This is especially worse when most of the time what is said turns out to be either inadequate or remarkably flippant, a breach of trust or even insulting e.g. Ferrari staff telling him they got their aero wrong.
I don't understand this point. It's basically saying that the only person worthy enough to (constructively) criticize or share any opinion about the sport are those "who can" excel at it.GrandAxe wrote: ↑15 Apr 2019, 19:49A person who doesn't feel up to the task has no right whatsoever to comment on those who who can, especially drivers who are single or multiple WDC's (Kimi, Alonso, Vettel and Lewis). It doesn't speak of character. This is especially worse when most of the time what is said turns out to be either inadequate or remarkably flippant, a breach of trust or even insulting e.g. Ferrari staff telling him they got their aero wrong.
That is why I said Verstappen must be laughing his what-nots off with Ferrari’s antics.e30ernest wrote: ↑15 Apr 2019, 20:32I don't understand this point. It's basically saying that the only person worthy enough to (constructively) criticize or share any opinion about the sport are those "who can" excel at it.GrandAxe wrote: ↑15 Apr 2019, 19:49A person who doesn't feel up to the task has no right whatsoever to comment on those who who can, especially drivers who are single or multiple WDC's (Kimi, Alonso, Vettel and Lewis). It doesn't speak of character. This is especially worse when most of the time what is said turns out to be either inadequate or remarkably flippant, a breach of trust or even insulting e.g. Ferrari staff telling him they got their aero wrong.
That writes off almost everyone in the media, everyone in this forums and almost every other fan.
When you view Rosberg as a fan (albeit a very knowledgeable and well-connected fan), I'd say his opinions are way more valid than anyone here or even most of the pundits covering the sport today.
His reasons for leaving the sport was also valid in my opinion, and I respect him for admitting that winning that WDC took way too much out of him mentally and emotionally because Lewis was that good. He said in his podcast (with Toto IIRC) that he needed to shut himself off the world to keep his focus and cope with the pressure. He left because he had achieved his life goal to win the WDC and he didn't want to put himself and his family through that ordeal again.
I think that was very respectable from him.
Back to the Chinese GP, I understand why Ferrari swapped their drivers, but I am worried how that would affect morale. Leclerc can potentially sink in the same way Bottas did last year while Vettel can succumb to even more pressure.
Unless Vettel has a #1 driver clause in his contract, they should have swapped them back when it became apparent Vettel couldn't chase the Mercs anyway. At the very least, they should have protected Leclerc better from the undercut (Vettel had more time to spare there).
IMO Ferrari should focus more on getting both drivers up as high as possible on the standings rather than focusing on getting one the best results possible. They are bleeding valuable points for the constructors championship.
Not true. Their crap shoot in China has already gifted Verstappen 2 extra points.Phil wrote: ↑15 Apr 2019, 20:44Actually, the reason Verstappen is ahead of both is because Leclerc had a costly technical issue that cost him 10 points and because Vettel made a driving error that cost him between 15 and 8 points, not to mention Max profitted from that very mistake at Bahrain?
Apart from that, the team orders had likely ZERO impact on their relative points vs their competitors so far.
Its even more than 2 points, its 5. Just look at the points awarded for each place:Restomaniac wrote: ↑15 Apr 2019, 20:51Not true. Their crap shoot in China has already gifted Verstappen 2 extra points.Phil wrote: ↑15 Apr 2019, 20:44Actually, the reason Verstappen is ahead of both is because Leclerc had a costly technical issue that cost him 10 points and because Vettel made a driving error that cost him between 15 and 8 points, not to mention Max profitted from that very mistake at Bahrain?
Apart from that, the team orders had likely ZERO impact on their relative points vs their competitors so far.
He may have got an undercut but let us be honest here. The Ferrari with DRS should have eaten the RedBull alive. Instead they totally screwed Leclerc and gave him no real chance of even that chance. So yes the Ferrari crap shoot GIFTED Verstappen 4th and 2 points without so much as a fight.Phil wrote: ↑15 Apr 2019, 21:48You may think that, but it’s not certain. Hard to know for a fact one of the Ferraris would not have lost position due to the undercut anyway.
It’s undidputed though that Vettels mistake and Leclercs reliabilty cost them combined more points and that the 2 points in China therefore is a non issue.
Verstappen finished 4th(12) though. He should have finished 5th(10).GrandAxe wrote: ↑15 Apr 2019, 22:03Its even more than 2 points, its 5. Just look at the points awarded for each place:Restomaniac wrote: ↑15 Apr 2019, 20:51Not true. Their crap shoot in China has already gifted Verstappen 2 extra points.Phil wrote: ↑15 Apr 2019, 20:44Actually, the reason Verstappen is ahead of both is because Leclerc had a costly technical issue that cost him 10 points and because Vettel made a driving error that cost him between 15 and 8 points, not to mention Max profitted from that very mistake at Bahrain?
Apart from that, the team orders had likely ZERO impact on their relative points vs their competitors so far.
3rd place 15 points
4th place 12 points
5th place 10 points
If not for team orders, Leclerc and Vettel would have finished 3rd and 4th ahead of Max in 5th.
The current WDC for the three drivers is:
3 Max 39
4 Vettel 37
5 Lecerc 36
If Vettel had finished 3rd and Leclerc 4th, it would have been:
3 Vettel 40
4 Leclerc 38
5 Max 34
If instead, Leclerc had finished 3rd and Vettel 4th, it would have been:
3 Leclerc 41
4 Vettel 37
5 Max 34
There was a comment during the race that it might have been the support races laying down more rubber. The earlier races would have been on the dirty line and thus would have more wheelspin. Thus more rubber laid down. They might also have spun their wheels at the start of the formation lap to get some rubber down. The later F1 race appears to have benefitted from this extra rubber.
I'm going to take it that you have never been a very competitive athlete of any form? As someone who has, I find both of these statements utterly ludicrous.