2019 Canadian Grand Prix - Montreal June 7-9

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Re: 2019 Canadian Grand Prix, Montreal June 7-9

Post by AMG.Tzan » Sat Jun 08, 2019 3:30 pm

Don't know if this is the correct thread...
Seems that many teams (specially Ferrari and RB) want to go back to 2018 Pirellis with thicker tread
Obviously the Mercedes domination this year is way too much!!

https://twitter.com/tgruener/status/1137352057210527745

Seems odd since they were complaining about graining last year!
Red Bull better remember 2013 and how going back to 2012 tires led to a 9 win streak from Vettel...!

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Re: 2019 Canadian Grand Prix, Montreal June 7-9

Post by SmallSoldier » Sat Jun 08, 2019 3:41 pm

Polite wrote:
SmallSoldier wrote:
Sat Jun 08, 2019 2:53 pm
LM10 wrote:Guenther, last time you were in this press conference you talked about the need to unlock the potential of Pirelli’s tyres. What solutions have you found in the last couple of races?
This just sums up the horrible work Pirelli has done. Thousands of kilometers have been done already, months of learning time passed, but there still is just a big fat question mark when it comes to tyres. There is no bigger limiting factor. Cars just don't show their true potential because of that.
Just a single team which understands the tyres. Is this the F1 championship we want to see? Let's call it Pirelli championship, really.
This is a Technical Formula, with the tires been just one more component for the teams to maximize if they want success... The fact that some may have done a better job in dealing with the tires than others isn’t Pirelli’s fault... They are all using the same tires, same compounds and have had access to the same data from testing... It’s up to the teams to figure it out.


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This is true but when it comes to 9 teams have bad tyres menagement, and only 1 is smart.. its no more sport.
Marko said it. Only one team last year had an issue with tyres and Pirelli helped them. So last year we had 1 team in bad shape and we got the 4mm less compund. This year 9 of 10 teams have issues but ``tyres are the same for all``.
dont u think Pirelli has to answer both years in the same way?
also AMUS talks about
https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/for ... -mercedes/
The changes last year weren’t to help “1” team, were based on safety... Yes, it seems one team has got a better understanding than the rest, but this has been part of Formula 1 always... Whether it is finding loop holes in the regulations, maximizing changes or managing the tires, the team that does it best is the team that dominates... People is just upset because Mercedes really has their act together and are the ones once again dominating... This is not Pirelli’s fault.


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Re: 2019 Canadian Grand Prix, Montreal June 7-9

Post by Polite » Sat Jun 08, 2019 3:46 pm

SmallSoldier wrote:
Sat Jun 08, 2019 3:41 pm
Polite wrote:
SmallSoldier wrote:
Sat Jun 08, 2019 2:53 pm


This is a Technical Formula, with the tires been just one more component for the teams to maximize if they want success... The fact that some may have done a better job in dealing with the tires than others isn’t Pirelli’s fault... They are all using the same tires, same compounds and have had access to the same data from testing... It’s up to the teams to figure it out.


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This is true but when it comes to 9 teams have bad tyres menagement, and only 1 is smart.. its no more sport.
Marko said it. Only one team last year had an issue with tyres and Pirelli helped them. So last year we had 1 team in bad shape and we got the 4mm less compund. This year 9 of 10 teams have issues but ``tyres are the same for all``.
dont u think Pirelli has to answer both years in the same way?
also AMUS talks about
https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/for ... -mercedes/
The changes last year weren’t to help “1” team, were based on safety... Yes, it seems one team has got a better understanding than the rest, but this has been part of Formula 1 always... Whether it is finding loop holes in the regulations, maximizing changes or managing the tires, the team that does it best is the team that dominates... People is just upset because Mercedes really has their act together and are the ones once again dominating... This is not Pirelli’s fault.


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Sorry man, but i cant find any safety issue last year. Only one team got blistering.. and blisters is not a safety issue. Just pit and change to new tyres. Safety issue comes when tyres explode without any warnings, like Micheline in USA many years ago.
and safety is an excuse used too often in f1.

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Re: 2019 Canadian Grand Prix, Montreal June 7-9

Post by Bill » Sat Jun 08, 2019 4:07 pm

Mercedes asked for tyres to be changed even their engineers acknowledged that why can't people take facts for what they are. Why try to to sell this lie that Mercedes did a better job

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Re: 2019 Canadian Grand Prix, Montreal June 7-9

Post by SmallSoldier » Sat Jun 08, 2019 4:12 pm

Bill wrote:Mercedes asked for tyres to be changed even their engineers acknowledged that why can't people take facts for what they are. Why try to to sell this lie that Mercedes did a better job
Facts? Would love some... Do you have any to support that it was Mercedes who asked for the change? Or where there several teams asking for it?

I mean, that’s the preferred narrative nowadays... But beyond repetition of the statement, I don’t think there are any “facts” out there.


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Re: 2019 Canadian Grand Prix, Montreal June 7-9

Post by SmallSoldier » Sat Jun 08, 2019 4:17 pm

Polite wrote:
SmallSoldier wrote:
Sat Jun 08, 2019 3:41 pm
Polite wrote: This is true but when it comes to 9 teams have bad tyres menagement, and only 1 is smart.. its no more sport.
Marko said it. Only one team last year had an issue with tyres and Pirelli helped them. So last year we had 1 team in bad shape and we got the 4mm less compund. This year 9 of 10 teams have issues but ``tyres are the same for all``.
dont u think Pirelli has to answer both years in the same way?
also AMUS talks about
https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/for ... -mercedes/
The changes last year weren’t to help “1” team, were based on safety... Yes, it seems one team has got a better understanding than the rest, but this has been part of Formula 1 always... Whether it is finding loop holes in the regulations, maximizing changes or managing the tires, the team that does it best is the team that dominates... People is just upset because Mercedes really has their act together and are the ones once again dominating... This is not Pirelli’s fault.


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Sorry man, but i cant find any safety issue last year. Only one team got blistering.. and blisters is not a safety issue. Just pit and change to new tyres. Safety issue comes when tyres explode without any warnings, like Micheline in USA many years ago.
and safety is an excuse used too often in f1.
Don’t forget Spa... Was it 2017 or 2016 where we had tires blowing up?

I just find it hard to believe that the dominant team in F1 asked for a change that supposedly only benefit them and all of the other teams (including Ferrari and their Veto power) allowed it to happen to give Mercedes a hand...

Several teams where experiencing blistering on the tires and back when the thinner gauge tires came out even Vettel commented that it helped them (Ferrari) with the issues they had.

I know that we all love a good conspiracy theory, but blaming Pirelli because what “the best team in the grid” has managed to do with the tires isn’t right.


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Re: 2019 Canadian Grand Prix, Montreal June 7-9

Post by Polite » Sat Jun 08, 2019 4:21 pm

SmallSoldier wrote:
Sat Jun 08, 2019 4:12 pm
Bill wrote:Mercedes asked for tyres to be changed even their engineers acknowledged that why can't people take facts for what they are. Why try to to sell this lie that Mercedes did a better job
Facts? Would love some... Do you have any to support that it was Mercedes who asked for the change? Or where there several teams asking for it?

I mean, that’s the preferred narrative nowadays... But beyond repetition of the statement, I don’t think there are any “facts” out there.


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news quotes
https://wtf1.com/post/pirelli-will-use- ... s-in-2019/
https://wtf1.com/post/vettel-claims-pir ... -red-bull/
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/13996 ... ce-in-2019
https://www.racefans.net/2019/03/02/ham ... ner-tyres/
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/anal ... t/3222036/

Mercedes asked that in pre season teastin in 2018
https://www.givemesport.com/1290168-mer ... on-request
and i can go on.. those are press facts

SmallSoldier
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Re: 2019 Canadian Grand Prix, Montreal June 7-9

Post by SmallSoldier » Sat Jun 08, 2019 4:25 pm

Polite wrote:
SmallSoldier wrote:
Sat Jun 08, 2019 4:12 pm
Bill wrote:Mercedes asked for tyres to be changed even their engineers acknowledged that why can't people take facts for what they are. Why try to to sell this lie that Mercedes did a better job
Facts? Would love some... Do you have any to support that it was Mercedes who asked for the change? Or where there several teams asking for it?

I mean, that’s the preferred narrative nowadays... But beyond repetition of the statement, I don’t think there are any “facts” out there.


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news quotes
https://wtf1.com/post/pirelli-will-use- ... s-in-2019/
https://wtf1.com/post/vettel-claims-pir ... -red-bull/
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/13996 ... ce-in-2019
https://www.racefans.net/2019/03/02/ham ... ner-tyres/
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/anal ... t/3222036/

Mercedes asked that in pre season teastin in 2018
https://www.givemesport.com/1290168-mer ... on-request
and i can go on.. those are press facts
Thanks! I will go through all after FP3!... I do appreciate you posting this!


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Re: 2019 Canadian Grand Prix, Montreal June 7-9

Post by Bill_Kar » Sat Jun 08, 2019 4:31 pm

That is impressive. Bahrain repeat?

SmallSoldier
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Re: 2019 Canadian Grand Prix, Montreal June 7-9

Post by SmallSoldier » Sat Jun 08, 2019 4:36 pm

First Mercedes PU failure?


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Bill
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Re: 2019 Canadian Grand Prix, Montreal June 7-9

Post by Bill » Sat Jun 08, 2019 4:41 pm

No they had a pu failure in the first race when trying to fire it on Thursday but it didn't count among the three pool of engines

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Re: 2019 Canadian Grand Prix, Montreal June 7-9

Post by Restomaniac » Sat Jun 08, 2019 4:50 pm

Sorry I’m not buying that the Mercedes is THAT much slower in a straight line.

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Re: 2019 Canadian Grand Prix, Montreal June 7-9

Post by MtthsMlw » Sat Jun 08, 2019 4:55 pm

Didn't expected them to be that fast already. Sub 1:10 possible for qualifying I guess.

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Re: 2019 Canadian Grand Prix, Montreal June 7-9

Post by bdr529 » Sat Jun 08, 2019 5:01 pm

SmallSoldier wrote:
Sat Jun 08, 2019 4:36 pm
First Mercedes PU failure?


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Maybe :shock:
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Re: 2019 Canadian Grand Prix, Montreal June 7-9

Post by Bill » Sat Jun 08, 2019 5:03 pm

The speed on the wing depends on how much wing you carring