2019 Canadian Grand Prix - Montreal June 7-9

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Re: 2019 Canadian Grand Prix, Montreal June 7-9

Post by siskue2005 » Mon Jun 10, 2019 4:31 pm

Bill_Kar wrote:
Mon Jun 10, 2019 4:01 pm
No matter what, this will always be the "stolen" victory of Ferrari.
about stolen victory for Ferrari; how many races have the FIA and Ferrari stolen from others before?
i can count them if you want! ...Karma :D

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Re: 2019 Canadian Grand Prix, Montreal June 7-9

Post by munudeges » Mon Jun 10, 2019 4:34 pm

These rules have simply got out of hand. They are straightjacketed by them even when they make no sense whatsoever.

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Re: 2019 Canadian Grand Prix, Montreal June 7-9

Post by siskue2005 » Mon Jun 10, 2019 4:34 pm

timbo wrote:
Mon Jun 10, 2019 4:28 pm
siskue2005 wrote:
Mon Jun 10, 2019 3:28 pm
dans79 wrote:
Mon Jun 10, 2019 3:24 pm
Shortly after the incident It had grown to 3.3 seconds, but then his engineers told him about the penalty and he subsequently lost his mind.
yes after the incident Vettel pushed immediately and pulled 3.5 sec, then it all went downhill while he was name calling FIA
It went downhill for the same reason he let Ham from 4.9 sec into DRS zone after the pitstops (which caused the error):
Hamilton began hauling Vettel back in for the next few laps as Vettel tried to look after his fuel. “The numbers on the steering wheel are correct,” he was informed. “Act accordingly.”
https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/repo ... rix-report
He tried to stretch the gap but he was fuel critical.
That was just after the pitstop, he was pulling 2 fastest laps and few personal bests after the incident and stretched it to 3.5 sec...but lost all of it after he was informed about the penalty

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Re: 2019 Canadian Grand Prix, Montreal June 7-9

Post by siskue2005 » Mon Jun 10, 2019 4:41 pm

munudeges wrote:
Mon Jun 10, 2019 4:34 pm
These rules have simply got out of hand. They are straightjacketed by them even when they make no sense whatsoever.
oh yeah, the rules when Schumacher was given a 10 second stop go penalty for overtaking in the formation lap?
and furthur ban from 2 races following it for appealing the decision!

and 1997 stripping schcumacher of entire championship
etc etc..

compare that to 2017 baku where Vettel was let off with a drive through and apology letter!
and another apology letter for calling the FIA race directer "f77k you Charlie" on live tv!

i will say the lack of proper rule application recently has made the fanbase think anything goes!

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Re: 2019 Canadian Grand Prix, Montreal June 7-9

Post by Shrieker » Mon Jun 10, 2019 4:43 pm

Carl Mccoy wrote:
Mon Jun 10, 2019 10:58 am
For Liberty Media and FIA, the most important thing is for Mercedes to stay in F1. At Any costs . The issue of tires that favor Mercedes is another matter. In 2013, Mercedes organized an illegal tire test and did not suffer any consequences.
Lol. You're as deluded as it gets. You claim favouritism towards Mercedes, I guess that must've been the reason Vettel got away with a slap on the wrist when he clobbered Hamilton in a clear fit of road rage two years ago. Also, your delusional mind is playing tricks on you. Mercedes were excluded from a much needed tire test in the middle of that season which very clearly hurt them that year.
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Re: 2019 Canadian Grand Prix, Montreal June 7-9

Post by dans79 » Mon Jun 10, 2019 4:43 pm

munudeges wrote:
Mon Jun 10, 2019 4:34 pm
These rules have simply got out of hand. They are straightjacketed by them even when they make no sense whatsoever.
You have been watching f1 for very long have you.

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Re: 2019 Canadian Grand Prix, Montreal June 7-9

Post by munudeges » Mon Jun 10, 2019 4:44 pm

dans79 wrote:
Mon Jun 10, 2019 4:43 pm
munudeges wrote:
Mon Jun 10, 2019 4:34 pm
These rules have simply got out of hand. They are straightjacketed by them even when they make no sense whatsoever.
You have been watching f1 for very long have you.
Yes, I have been watching F1 for very long.

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Re: 2019 Canadian Grand Prix, Montreal June 7-9

Post by munudeges » Mon Jun 10, 2019 4:48 pm

siskue2005 wrote:
Mon Jun 10, 2019 4:41 pm
oh yeah, the rules when Schumacher was given a 10 second stop go penalty for overtaking in the formation lap?
and furthur ban from 2 races following it for appealing the decision!

and 1997 stripping schcumacher of entire championship
etc etc..
Alas, Schumacher made a rod for his own back and everyone else with his antics, and he is a large part of the reason why we're in the situation we're in.

The problem and the difference we have now is we have rules dictating how a driver should drive in any given set of circumstances, often where he has tenths at best to make a decision on the spur of the moment.

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Re: 2019 Canadian Grand Prix, Montreal June 7-9

Post by Shrieker » Mon Jun 10, 2019 4:50 pm

waynes wrote:
Mon Jun 10, 2019 12:12 pm
Are we going to talk about Ferrari hanging Leclerc out to dry again with a garbage strategy?

No? cool
They had him go long and have fresher tires for later on in case there was a SC. So they split their 2 cars to cover for both eventualities (sc vs no sc). Lec had fallen back sufficiently already before the leaders had their stops, so it was only logical to go for a different plan with him; I don't blame Ferrari here.
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Re: 2019 Canadian Grand Prix, Montreal June 7-9

Post by siskue2005 » Mon Jun 10, 2019 4:51 pm

munudeges wrote:
Mon Jun 10, 2019 4:48 pm
siskue2005 wrote:
Mon Jun 10, 2019 4:41 pm
oh yeah, the rules when Schumacher was given a 10 second stop go penalty for overtaking in the formation lap?
and furthur ban from 2 races following it for appealing the decision!

and 1997 stripping schcumacher of entire championship
etc etc..
Alas, Schumacher made a rod for his own back and everyone else with his antics, and he is a large part of the reason why we're in the situation we're in.

The problem and the difference we have now is we have rules dictating how a driver should drive in any given set of circumstances, often where he has tenths at best to make a decision on the spur of the moment.
In similar fashion Vettel has made a rod for his own back and everyone else with his antics (2017 baku where Vettel was let off with a drive through and apology letter! and another apology letter for calling the FIA race directer "f77k you Charlie" on live tv!)

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Re: 2019 Canadian Grand Prix, Montreal June 7-9

Post by Shrieker » Mon Jun 10, 2019 4:52 pm

munudeges wrote:
Mon Jun 10, 2019 4:48 pm
siskue2005 wrote:
Mon Jun 10, 2019 4:41 pm
oh yeah, the rules when Schumacher was given a 10 second stop go penalty for overtaking in the formation lap?
and furthur ban from 2 races following it for appealing the decision!

and 1997 stripping schcumacher of entire championship
etc etc..
Alas, Schumacher made a rod for his own back and everyone else with his antics, and he is a large part of the reason why we're in the situation we're in.

The problem and the difference we have now is we have rules dictating how a driver should drive in any given set of circumstances, often where he has tenths at best to make a decision on the spur of the moment.
Vettel made a mistake on the spur of the moment, while Hamilton made a great split second decision (basically read him like a book) to jam on the brakes and avoid disaster there. That's what separates the very goods from the greats.
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Re: 2019 Canadian Grand Prix, Montreal June 7-9

Post by munudeges » Mon Jun 10, 2019 4:53 pm

siskue2005 wrote:
Mon Jun 10, 2019 4:51 pm
In similar fashion Vettel has made a rod for his own back and everyone else with his antics (2017 baku where Vettel was let off with a drive through and apology letter! and another apology letter for calling the FIA race directer "f77k you Charlie" on live tv!)
You are making no coherent sense whatsoever.

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Re: 2019 Canadian Grand Prix, Montreal June 7-9

Post by munudeges » Mon Jun 10, 2019 4:54 pm

Shrieker wrote:
Mon Jun 10, 2019 4:52 pm
Vettel made a mistake on the spur of the moment, while Hamilton made a great split second decision (basically read him like a book) to jam on the brakes and avoid disaster there. That's what separates the very goods from the greats.
The greats anticipate, react and capitalise, as Mansell did with Senna at Hungary in 89. :wink: Hamilton didn't manage to do it.

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Re: 2019 Canadian Grand Prix, Montreal June 7-9

Post by roon » Mon Jun 10, 2019 5:00 pm

Shrieker wrote:
Mon Jun 10, 2019 4:52 pm
munudeges wrote:
Mon Jun 10, 2019 4:48 pm
siskue2005 wrote:
Mon Jun 10, 2019 4:41 pm
oh yeah, the rules when Schumacher was given a 10 second stop go penalty for overtaking in the formation lap?
and furthur ban from 2 races following it for appealing the decision!

and 1997 stripping schcumacher of entire championship
etc etc..
Alas, Schumacher made a rod for his own back and everyone else with his antics, and he is a large part of the reason why we're in the situation we're in.

The problem and the difference we have now is we have rules dictating how a driver should drive in any given set of circumstances, often where he has tenths at best to make a decision on the spur of the moment.
Vettel made a mistake on the spur of the moment, while Hamilton made a great split second decision (basically read him like a book) to jam on the brakes and avoid disaster there. That's what separates the very goods from the greats.
When one sees an incident ahead, car going off road in this example, drivers will tend to reduce speed. Normal behavior on road and track.

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Re: 2019 Canadian Grand Prix, Montreal June 7-9

Post by Jolle » Mon Jun 10, 2019 5:01 pm

The whole spoiled kid behavior from Vettel after he got the message for the penalty was probably also a lot of frustration coming out. This should have been his year, even though Ferrari brought in Leclerc a year early. After a few seasons with missed opportunities from both Vettel and Ferrari, pre season testing looked good and boy, Australia was a hard let down. And now, finally, a good Q, in front, doing everything right... Hamilton right on your gearbox. Seven disappointments in a row. Next year is probably too late because then the challenge from Leclerc will be far greater and his contract will be finishing and Leclerc’s not...

Not that his theater was right, but I do understand it a bit.