Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

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Re: Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

Post by cplchanb » Mon Jul 22, 2019 1:57 am

Maritimer wrote:
Sun Jul 21, 2019 7:25 pm
New chassis meaning the cooling will all change now? Might we see a complete repackaging of the drivetrain with even tighter bodywork now? They did say it would be visually very apparent when the upgrades show up. Never thought we would see a Merc Bspec car.
They already brought their b car in pre season test
This would be the c car

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Re: Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

Post by Maritimer » Mon Jul 22, 2019 4:21 am

I suppose so yes

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Re: Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

Post by SiLo » Mon Jul 22, 2019 8:50 am

zibby43 wrote:
Fri Jul 19, 2019 10:31 pm
SiLo wrote:
Fri Jul 19, 2019 9:07 am
They put stickers over your phone cameras as you go into the factory, and even then you can't really see much in the way of parts.
Very cool detail. Have you been on a factory tour before?
I have! You can see an album with some comments here:

https://imgur.com/a/Gk8Y2qi
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Re: Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

Post by F1Krof » Mon Jul 22, 2019 10:35 am

From Motorsport Italia.

https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/incre ... 0/4498638/


Google Translated:
Brackley's team has passed all crash tests at Cranfield with a lightweight body that introduces a couple of new concepts. It has not been decided if he will make his debut at Hockenheim. The world champion team prepares for a qualitative leap fearing Ferrari and Red Bull Racing.

The Mercedes is ready to take an advanced version of the W10 to the track: according to rumors that are filtered by Cranfield, Brackley's team would have passed the crash tests of a new body.

It's amazing how the team that is literally dominating the 2019 world championship with nine successes over ten GPs, is ready to deploy a fresh chassis mid-season that will have changes to make the silver arrow even more competitive than it already is, while for example the Ferrari seems less rapid in the development of the SF90.

It must be said that all the development work carried out this year is also aimed at the next championship, since the 2020 technical rules will remain stable pending the 2021 revolution that we anticipated in recent days with some drawings by Giorgio Piola.

The new carbon frame of the W10 will not be recognizable when the car is mounted, but the Brackley technicians have tried to trim the weight of the body since the silver single-seater is the one with the longest wheelbase and, therefore, is subject to having a mass greater.

Each team usually makes five frames to cover a season, if there are no shells replace for accidents: the Mercedes having to prepare the last two two achievements of this championship intervened also introducing a couple of new concepts that on the current W10 there are no .

For this it is not said that Lewis Hamilton and Valtteri Bottas will have the evolution frames already in Germany: the debut will almost certainly not take place at Hockenheim, although at Brackley they do not want to waste time after seeing the growth of Red Bull now able to challenge the Red in being the challenger of silver arrows.
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Re: Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

Post by djones » Mon Jul 22, 2019 11:33 am

I was wondering why Mercedes have not just moved on to developing the 2020 car.

But that article has just pointed out the rules are the same, so I guess this technically is all development for 2020.

I'm a little bit excited to see the allegedly noticeable changes. But will no doubt be disappointed when it looks the same :lol:

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Re: Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

Post by astracrazy » Mon Jul 22, 2019 3:45 pm

Maritimer wrote:
Sun Jul 21, 2019 7:25 pm
New chassis meaning the cooling will all change now? Might we see a complete repackaging of the drivetrain with even tighter bodywork now? They did say it would be visually very apparent when the upgrades show up. Never thought we would see a Merc Bspec car.
*Merc Cspec car

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Merc seem to be following the same cycle as last year, and perhaps it is the way they are now going compared to other teams.

Release Spec A (well this year there was B too) -> minor updates to tidy up things -> mid season release Spec B (this year C) -> minor updates to tidy up things then rinse and repeat.
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Re: Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

Post by garygph » Mon Jul 22, 2019 3:55 pm

It must help a lot when your drivers are bringing the car home in one piece more often than a lot of other teams as well. The factory can get on with fabricating new parts instead of replacing as much.

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Re: Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

Post by digitalrurouni » Mon Jul 22, 2019 4:08 pm

There was an article that mentioned that Mercedes had upgraded all their systems to use the latest software (I thought it was CAD/CAM can't recall) written by Scarbs. Ferrari hadn't. I wonder if that is a major factor in the incredible machine that is the W10. Not to mention Toto being probably the best boss in the world to work for because rarely do you hear of people leaving the Mercedes teams to go work elsewhere.

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Post by Pyrone89 » Mon Jul 22, 2019 4:11 pm

For the love of god, please at least for once let a Merc update not be a homerun, F1 needs it.

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Post by astracrazy » Mon Jul 22, 2019 4:15 pm

Pyrone89 wrote:
Mon Jul 22, 2019 4:11 pm
For the love of god, please at least for once let a Merc update not be a homerun, F1 needs it.
Unlikely.

They don't need to rush through any of these updates. They aren't trying to catch up or backtrack because they have gone down the wrong philosophy path. They can bring them when they are ready, confident and refined.

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Re: Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

Post by LM10 » Mon Jul 22, 2019 4:18 pm

digitalrurouni wrote:
Mon Jul 22, 2019 4:08 pm
There was an article that mentioned that Mercedes had upgraded all their systems to use the latest software (I thought it was CAD/CAM can't recall) written by Scarbs. Ferrari hadn't. I wonder if that is a major factor in the incredible machine that is the W10. Not to mention Toto being probably the best boss in the world to work for because rarely do you hear of people leaving the Mercedes teams to go work elsewhere.
Yes, Mercedes uses the latest version of CATIA, whereas Ferrari still uses the older one which seems to have major weaknesses compared.

As for the new chassis Mercedes is bringing, there is nothing much to say other than that the rate of development this team shows is simply incredible. They already were the, by far, fastest car from get go, but still put updates on the car more regularly than their biggest rivals (don't really know about RBR, but Ferrari at least).
You would except Ferrari being the team to bring a brand new chassis as it's them going the wrong direction with their concept. But no, on the contrary, it's the already most dominant team. And this can't even purely be explained by finances as Ferrari surely can't complain about having little money resources. The differences obviously lie in talent, work procedure, organisation and management.

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Re: Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

Post by GPR -A » Mon Jul 22, 2019 4:28 pm

LM10 wrote:
Mon Jul 22, 2019 4:18 pm
You would except Ferrari being the team to bring a brand new chassis as it's them going the wrong direction with their concept. But no, on the contrary, it's the already most dominant team. And this can't even purely be explained by finances as Ferrari surely can't complain about having little money resources. The differences obviously lie in talent, work procedure, organisation and management.
To be fair to Ferrari, it's not easy to react and bring raft of upgrades when you realize that you have gone wrong. It's time to stop, do root cause analysis, identify new direction and then start work. Whereas Mercedes, which truly is the most incredible team that has been in F1, can go aggressive in bringing upgrades as they know they are in right direction.

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Re: Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

Post by Just_a_fan » Mon Jul 22, 2019 4:48 pm

LM10 wrote:
Mon Jul 22, 2019 4:18 pm
The differences obviously lie in talent, work procedure, organisation and management.
I wonder if there is also something in the development route itself. The W10 is almost a direct descendant of the W05, at least in terms of aero development, compared to Ferrari's quite marked change in aero philosophy a couple of years ago. Mercedes have developed and refined some basic concepts in their cars from day one. They must have an intimate knowledge of what a change here or there will do in a way that Ferrari don't. I also wonder if Toto and his senior team are better at keeping rivalries within the factory in check, partly because there is stability there. It's very easy for a group to think they have a magic bullet solution, push it with in-house political games, and then push the team the wrong way.
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Re: Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

Post by zibby43 » Mon Jul 22, 2019 6:25 pm

SiLo wrote:
Mon Jul 22, 2019 8:50 am
zibby43 wrote:
Fri Jul 19, 2019 10:31 pm
SiLo wrote:
Fri Jul 19, 2019 9:07 am
They put stickers over your phone cameras as you go into the factory, and even then you can't really see much in the way of parts.
Very cool detail. Have you been on a factory tour before?
I have! You can see an album with some comments here:

https://imgur.com/a/Gk8Y2qi
This was one of the coolest original content features I've see on this site. Thank you for sharing!

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Re: Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

Post by Pyrone89 » Mon Jul 22, 2019 6:33 pm

Maybe they are somehow circumventing the CFD and windtunnel limits by having Daimler do the ‘fundamental research’ into concepts and perhaps even what shapes and features work and which not, leaving the team to use their regulation limited CFD processing power and windtunnel time 100% for the car design optimizing. That is the only thing I can think of. Just like Ferrari circumvented this with their Haas collaboration in 2015 (Haas was not yet bound by the regulations limits as they were not yet a competitor, Ferrari then used a trick with lending out personnel and more to basically get unlimited windtunnel time)