After that he was even more frustrated, he actually wanted to retire the car but they didnt't let him.Jolle wrote: ↑29 Jul 2019, 11:17In hindsight, Hamilton's spin cost him the win, but the chaos after that cost him the podium. If he had stayed out, did a slow lap (the safety car came out anyway), preparing the team for a nose change and not getting a penalty,
His second spin was properly more to do with frustration and pushing to hard to get back into the points.
this is a bullshit claim and you know it...gokarter wrote: ↑29 Jul 2019, 12:34ferari very lucky to get away with a fine. if they allowed leclerc to get away with a fine for unsafe release. then it should be the same with max in monaco. Well we know what FIA stands for. It a shame how this sport is ruined by red politics. running extra performance with extra battery for qualifying and get away know full well FIA will turn a blind eye.my only wish for fia dont favour a particular team.
About the Gasly: no further action because, in slightly other words, the sterwards concluded that he was punished enough with his DNF.Roman wrote: ↑29 Jul 2019, 12:46Wow, what a great race. I had to watch it on replay at night as I was not home during the day, so I knew the result but still - great racing!
Just two questions (even though I know I might poke the bear with one of them, you may guess which one ):
1) The Gasly - Albon incident in the last lap: I remember it being under investigation, did anything come from that? From what I could see on TV Albon just drove right in front of Gasly causing him to crash. Actually a rather dangerous move, even though not many replays were shown.
2) The Hamilton spin (the first one): Yes, I know he didnt spin. But still, he drove off the track under SC conditions, into an area where another car had just crashed, causing the SC. I was expecting this to be investigated (as did the commentators on French TV) as Marshalls and other personnell could have been just at that exact spot, getting the Ferrari out of the way. Therefore this is a potentially dangerous situation, but I do not remember even an investigation. Any thoughts on this?
From an engineering point of view the video is interestingiotar__ wrote: ↑29 Jul 2019, 10:48- Very interesting indeed. Attempt to spin Hamilton's failure into a virtue and belittling the other driver . Not new but interesting .Jambier wrote: ↑29 Jul 2019, 10:20This is actually very interessting.yelistener wrote: ↑29 Jul 2019, 10:04Turn 1 spin, Lewis had different steering wheel input comparing to Bottas', which helped him escaping the crash.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lgd_p59S4os
HAM is like trying to control, not hit anything, still fighting to stay on track
BOT is like giving up
This crash show the difference in fighting spirit, it is not just luck IMHO
- Not comparable (track, tyres and I'm guessing speed) and meaningless. What's also missing is another off track (no "fighting spirit" there?) and a penalty.
- Driver bias and ignorance is off the charts in those threads recently (particularly reletad to one driver.) e.i. fighting spirit in a high speed corner spin when a driver is a passenger.
edit: Speaking of perhaps bias. I'm not sure about it (gaps) but why didn't they pit Bottas again? Thier groveling explanation to LewHam was (obviously) that with a penalty it would cost him.
Why a fine? this is a clear 5 sec penalty.This Fine( it is like probably breakfast money ferrari spends a day) FIA wanted leclerc and a ferrari win badly . shame. At least be consistent FIA. if a there is another unsafe release ,then everyone should get only a fine. Believe me if this was any team other than Ferrari- they will get an immediate 5 sec penalty, My respect for ferrari has been diminished slowly over the years because in the end fans want to see a clean fight and no politics.Ferrari, as team, got the fine because this was a perfect example of "unsafe release" as the rule should be and was ment for....
so don't search anything that isn't there
again you're looking for a thing that isn't there and as Masi already stated more then once "we look at each incident as on its own" meaning no incident is similar to another one that occured in the past....gokarter wrote: ↑29 Jul 2019, 13:13Why a fine? this is a clear 5 sec penalty.This Fine( it is like probably breakfast money ferrari spends a day) FIA wanted leclerc and a ferrari win badly . shame. At least be consistent FIA. if a there is another unsafe release ,then everyone should get only a fine. Believe me if this was any team other than Ferrari- they will get an immediate 5 sec penalty, My respect for ferrari has been diminished slowly over the years because in the end fans want to see a clean fight and no politics.Ferrari, as team, got the fine because this was a perfect example of "unsafe release" as the rule should be and was ment for....
so don't search anything that isn't there
No, I have never liked, interchangeable races like this, so try again!roon wrote: ↑29 Jul 2019, 06:45Until the next wet race, when Ham scores higher or misses walls, then you guys will be all "love races like this" and "amazing showcase of skil
What is also interesting is how they lost it exact the same point at the same phase in the race. I can’t remember having seen people losing like that at the entry of the Nordcurve.