2019 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Honda F1 Team

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1158 wrote:
09 Sep 2019, 10:22
subcritical71 wrote:
09 Sep 2019, 09:41
IIRC, RB were underestimated the power of the Honda PU. Since gear ratios are set at the beginning of the year it seems plausible that they mis judged their ratios and are running a higher RPM at some tracks than anticipated. Why one car hits or doesn’t hit the limiter could be due to individual driver setups (wing -> drag levels).
VER was probably was running less downforce. He was 10-11 kph higher than Albon at 3 out of the 4 speed measurements. KVY was almost equal to VER, and was able to repeatedly hit those speeds. Maybe TR had a better idea for the gearing. I would love to know, but we probably never will.
Didn't they say that RBR and STR are using the same back end (transmission Suspension)?

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transmission casing. I think the internals are made by TR.

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Jolle wrote:
10 Sep 2019, 21:36
JordanMugen wrote:
10 Sep 2019, 21:33
hasika wrote:
10 Sep 2019, 10:09
HRD sakura boss Asaki think Honda's spec4 power unit is very close to Mercedes now.
"The combustion concept we found in last year's spec3 has evolved to this year's spec3,the spec4 is also its extension. Its not the end,there is still room for improvement.The target was to be equal to Mercedes this year. We dont have a clear image in qualifying this time so i dont know yet,but I think that the possibility is not zero with this spec 4."
It is good, but still a funny target when Mercedes is not the best power unit anymore. :?:
Difficult to judge when Mercedes runs more downforce (which probably means more drag) then Ferrari. I presume they are quite equal
Well Honda's target was mentioned at the end of last year, that 2019 would be to match Mercedes. Only this year have Ferrari gone up to another level and as mentioned, a fair amount of that advantage would be down to aero concept.

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Jaisonas wrote:
11 Sep 2019, 02:08
transmission casing. I think the internals are made by TR.
No. The internals have always been Redbull. Last year the gearbox was made by ToroRosso. This year everything on ToroRosso is RedBull.

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GhostF1 wrote:
11 Sep 2019, 04:28
Jolle wrote:
10 Sep 2019, 21:36
JordanMugen wrote:
10 Sep 2019, 21:33


It is good, but still a funny target when Mercedes is not the best power unit anymore. :?:
Difficult to judge when Mercedes runs more downforce (which probably means more drag) then Ferrari. I presume they are quite equal
Well Honda's target was mentioned at the end of last year, that 2019 would be to match Mercedes. Only this year have Ferrari gone up to another level and as mentioned, a fair amount of that advantage would be down to aero concept.
Mercedes of what season ? Did they specify ?

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McMika98 wrote:
11 Sep 2019, 07:39
Jaisonas wrote:
11 Sep 2019, 02:08
transmission casing. I think the internals are made by TR.
No. The internals have always been Redbull. Last year the gearbox was made by ToroRosso. This year everything on ToroRosso is RedBull.
I believe STR uses the back-end of last years RB.

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Curbstone wrote:
11 Sep 2019, 09:26
McMika98 wrote:
11 Sep 2019, 07:39
Jaisonas wrote:
11 Sep 2019, 02:08
transmission casing. I think the internals are made by TR.
No. The internals have always been Redbull. Last year the gearbox was made by ToroRosso. This year everything on ToroRosso is RedBull.
I believe STR uses the back-end of last years RB.
i believe that is correct, but wasn't last year's back-end designed for a Renault engine? will that just fit that simple?
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Probably an evolution of last years STR box designed by Redbull engineers?

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Manoah2u wrote:
11 Sep 2019, 12:03
Curbstone wrote:
11 Sep 2019, 09:26
McMika98 wrote:
11 Sep 2019, 07:39


No. The internals have always been Redbull. Last year the gearbox was made by ToroRosso. This year everything on ToroRosso is RedBull.
I believe STR uses the back-end of last years RB.
i believe that is correct, but wasn't last year's back-end designed for a Renault engine? will that just fit that simple?
This year's Redbull gb also last last year's gb adopted to Honda pu

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They truly exists. 😋 Named after the queen and his wife, Willem Alexander and Maxima :)

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Wouter wrote:
11 Sep 2019, 13:04
They truly exists. 😋 Named after the queen and his wife, Willem Alexander and Maxima :)

https://twitter.com/HondaRacingF1/statu ... 1610887168
You most probably meant to say 'the king and his wife...'

Or more precisely: the queen Max(ima) and her husband Willem (Alex)ander...:lol:

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TNTHead wrote:
11 Sep 2019, 13:43
Wouter wrote:
11 Sep 2019, 13:04
They truly exists. 😋 Named after the queen and his wife, Willem Alexander and Maxima :)

https://twitter.com/HondaRacingF1/statu ... 1610887168
You most probably meant to say 'the king and his wife...'

Or more precisely: the queen Max(ima) and her husband Willem (Alex)ander...:lol:
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TNTHead wrote:
11 Sep 2019, 13:43
Wouter wrote:
11 Sep 2019, 13:04
They truly exists. 😋 Named after the queen and his wife, Willem Alexander and Maxima :)

https://twitter.com/HondaRacingF1/statu ... 1610887168
You most probably meant to say 'the king and his wife...'

Or more precisely: the queen Max(ima) and her husband Willem (Alex)ander...:lol:
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Manoah2u wrote:
11 Sep 2019, 12:03
Curbstone wrote:
11 Sep 2019, 09:26
McMika98 wrote:
11 Sep 2019, 07:39


No. The internals have always been Redbull. Last year the gearbox was made by ToroRosso. This year everything on ToroRosso is RedBull.
I believe STR uses the back-end of last years RB.
i believe that is correct, but wasn't last year's back-end designed for a Renault engine? will that just fit that simple?
Was there not a 'reg' released a few years back standardizing engine mounts etc? I would not be surprised if this included gearbox mating (but I do not know)
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Manoah2u wrote:
11 Sep 2019, 12:03
I believe that is correct, but wasn't last year's back-end designed for a Renault engine? will that just fit that simple?
If you read the Toro Rosso forums there are pages debating that. Ofcourse Toro Rosso are compromised but thats the way it has been dictated. They could have probably done a better job themselves.

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