2020 Austrian Grand Prix - Spielberg, 3-5 July

[Sevach]

Then why was he in last place by the next corner?

Because the guy on the inside, didn't leave space and bumped him, he got punished for it.

Albon had space. He didn't use all of it.

Only if you think overtakes should be completed on the astroturf, Albon was on the curbs already.

[siskue2005]

Just saw the highlight, can anybody explain to me why Leclerc is getting so much praise? Besides a lucky pitstop, he didnt seem to do much special?

He got 2nd place with the 5th fastest car. That's pretty good stuff.

You mean with 5 Safety cars cutting down 50 sec gap to top 2 and 3 cars breaking down in front and some lucy pitstops in between and a car in front getting penalty? Dont get me wrong, i like Leclerc...but this is not his best race

[JordanMugen]

ALB was not ahead

You might want to double-check whose rear wheel (Albon's) was hit by whose front wheel (Hamilton). That suggests Albon was ahead.

[Just_a_fan]

Because the guy on the inside, didn't leave space and bumped him, he got punished for it.

Albon had space. He didn't use all of it.

Only if you think overtakes should be completed on the astroturf, Albon was on the curbs already.

If you go around the outside, having come in to the corner from behind, it's down to you to ensure you can get around. Hamilton didn't crowd him off.

[JordanMugen]

Dont get me wrong, i like Leclerc...but this is not his best race

Sure! I wasn't implying that by any means. But LEC did a great team leader drive to get the maximum possible points, the same cannot be said for VET in the other scarlet racing car.

Hamilton didn't crowd him off.

Stewards disagree and assigned the blame to Hamilton. It is what it is. Nevermind, that's motor racing.

[turbof1]

Albon pulled the move correctly, it's pointless to say he could've been patient when he pulled the move cleanly.
Can't see intent on Hamilton's end, but that was on him.

From my perspective Albon just accelerated with his rear tyre into Hamilton's front tyre. Not something he could have predicted, and I don't think it is fair to blame Albon for that. But it's neither fair for Hamilton. It is a clear racing incident.

When Albon hanged around the outside, and came out with his front wheels ahead, there was nothing more Hamilton could do, he should've made more effort to leave space.

There was space for Albon though:
https://www.formula1.com/en/video/2020/ ... ision.html

Hamilton probably couldn't get more on the right side due physics. When he committed to the corner he had an entry speed and that's what he carried through the corner and exit. I think that at that point Hamilton was justified in the decision. Obviously Albon went around the outside and was able to carry a lot more speed and thus ended in front of him, but Hamilton could was already committed to said decision he made when Albon was not in front.

If anything, Albon was technically able to avoid the collision. He had a bit of space on his left. Was Albon entitled to his line? Of course he was. Was Hamilton entitled to his? In my eyes he was, but he was unable to do more anyway. The speed he carried into the corner dictated the line he was going to take on the exit.

This really should have been a racing incident.

[Hammerfist]

Hamilton did deserve that penalty. The main difference with the situation with Verstappen and Leclerc was the location in the corner. Verstappen was on the racing line in the middle of the corner, where he pushed out Charles. Hamilton and Albon were already slightly beyond the exit of the corner when the collision happened, plus Lewis wasn't full lock, but by this point, Albon was on the racing line. Had Lewis backed off, they wouldn't have crashed.

Maybe you should watch the onboards again

The full lock does not even matter as much as whether or not Hamilton was already on the power when he hit him. I mean i'm pretty sure Albon was on the power, but was Hamilton? I still haven't seen the onboard.

[Mattyw]

Albon had space. He didn't use all of it.

Only if you think overtakes should be completed on the astroturf, Albon was on the curbs already.

If you go around the outside, having come in to the corner from behind, it's down to you to ensure you can get around. Hamilton didn't crowd him off.

This

[JordanMugen]

If you go around the outside, having come in to the corner from behind, it's down to you to ensure you can get around. Hamilton didn't crowd him off.

This

A lot of expert stewards in here!

[AMG.Tzan]

I don't know for sure if Hamilton was on full lock...but at the time i thought so! It's a downhill off camber corner so even if he braked he would have understeered even more onto Albon!

The 5 sec penalty is ok as the stewards were right that he is predominantly to blame for the incident, as he was on the inside!

BUT! Why 2 penalty points?? Isn't it a bit too much??

[matt_b]

Hamilton did deserve that penalty. The main difference with the situation with Verstappen and Leclerc was the location in the corner. Verstappen was on the racing line in the middle of the corner, where he pushed out Charles. Hamilton and Albon were already slightly beyond the exit of the corner when the collision happened, plus Lewis wasn't full lock, but by this point, Albon was on the racing line. Had Lewis backed off, they wouldn't have crashed.

Maybe you should watch the onboards again

I think we've reached a point where Lewis' haters don't even bother to argue in a semi - logical fashion. They just shout lies.

Pretty much, don't worry they will all suddenly disappear when Lewis starts winning again, I've seen this pattern year after year

[214270]

ALB was not ahead

You might want to double-check whose rear wheel (Albon's) was hit by whose front wheel (Hamilton). That suggests Albon was ahead.

It appears you’re jumping in late. ALB was not ahead...at the start of the corner

I’ve said all I need to say, maybe read what I’ve written earlier. All has been explained there.

[Fulcrum]

Most retirements since what race?

Hockenheim 2018?

[siskue2005]

I don't know for sure if Hamilton was on full lock...but at the time i thought so! It's a downhill off camber corner so even if he braked he would have understeered even more onto Albon!

The 5 sec penalty is ok as the stewards were right that he is predominantly to blame for the incident, as he was on the inside!

BUT! Why 2 penalty points?? Isn't it a bit too much??

[Phil]

That's an overtaking spot and he made it ahead on the outside.

Then why was he in last place by the next corner?

Because the guy on the inside, didn't leave space and bumped him, he got punished for it.

That is what happens when overtaking cars on the outside into a corner. There’s a reason why it’s more difficult and thus why pretty much every driver with half a brain will defend the inside of a corner. If Albon has the balls to attempt a move on the outside and at the risk if being pushed wide, he is also accepting it. This isnt anything new.

You are always going to be vulnerable when going around the outside.