Alpine A521

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diffuser wrote:
Thu Apr 15, 2021 4:38 pm
diffuser wrote:
Thu Apr 15, 2021 11:50 am
I wonder if the roll hoop was homogenized, therefore, this was the only option to make a change.

I can see where in the 2020 version of this has little space behind the lower hoop air intake rad and the upper hoop tube. I can see that could cause air flow problems on the lower hoop intake. The lower hoop exhaust would also heat the upper hoop tube. The 2021 solution gives us better flow on the lower air intake and a cooler upper intake without changing any of the 2 entries. Maybe, that is all they were trying to do?
Gonna reply to myself and add some of Blackout's picture to explain what I'm attempting to say ...


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And here was this article last year https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/61101/br ... tely-.html

"There is already a team that has reported a cooling problem with their car to us. They can't drive it like that for the next two years.

I beleive that was Renault.... both cars overheated in 2020 Hungry?
So they would have needed tokens to change the Roll hoop air intake. They then decided to make the suspension change with the tokens and went with the new air intake change that didn't need tokens?

That's my Guess anyways.



2020
https://i.ibb.co/m9VBXqN/TT4wy-R0-2.jpg
2021
https://i.ibb.co/yRhhSXz/Jbfj-Zxm-3.jpg

We can clearily see the "/ \" existed in 2020, it was just further down.


And to borrow Scarb's drawing

https://i.ibb.co/xgKqVcw/Ex-WHW7z-WUAIrp-XG-2.jpg
Thinking critically that layout Scarbs propsed is a bit pointless. Why would the designers go through all that trouble of looping one duct through the other and he could have done them the regular way and save more space?

I think there is another cooler that Scarbs has missed. I suggest that there is one near the roll hoop that is hidden... There are some small hoses on the right side of the car seeming to go up in that direction.
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The floor's leading edge teeth have teeth
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Ton of updates already and we still haven't seen the the rear floor and diffuser.

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Ted talks about the updates

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Come on that's getting ridiculous. I love it.

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diffuser wrote:
Thu Apr 15, 2021 4:38 pm
diffuser wrote:
Thu Apr 15, 2021 11:50 am
I wonder if the roll hoop was homogenized, therefore, this was the only option to make a change.

I can see where in the 2020 version of this has little space behind the lower hoop air intake rad and the upper hoop tube. I can see that could cause air flow problems on the lower hoop intake. The lower hoop exhaust would also heat the upper hoop tube. The 2021 solution gives us better flow on the lower air intake and a cooler upper intake without changing any of the 2 entries. Maybe, that is all they were trying to do?
Gonna reply to myself and add some of Blackout's picture to explain what I'm attempting to say ...


edit

And here was this article last year https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/61101/br ... tely-.html

"There is already a team that has reported a cooling problem with their car to us. They can't drive it like that for the next two years.

I beleive that was Renault.... both cars overheated in 2020 Hungry?
So they would have needed tokens to change the Roll hoop air intake. They then decided to make the suspension change with the tokens and went with the new air intake change that didn't need tokens?

That's my Guess anyways.



2020
https://i.ibb.co/m9VBXqN/TT4wy-R0-2.jpg
2021
https://i.ibb.co/yRhhSXz/Jbfj-Zxm-3.jpg

We can clearily see the "/ \" existed in 2020, it was just further down.


And to borrow Scarb's drawing

https://i.ibb.co/xgKqVcw/Ex-WHW7z-WUAIrp-XG-2.jpg
He will Sue you for this borrow.
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:mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: This is the best

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Tooooom wrote:
Thu Apr 15, 2021 11:07 pm
:mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: This is the best
Teeth!!! Even if the car doesnt win any races, Alpine have designed the world’s fastest cheese grater.. just throw a block of cheese at the bargeboard in the wind tunnel and you could spread the cheese onto a pizza.. genius!!
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PlatinumZealot wrote:
Thu Apr 15, 2021 8:07 pm
Why would the designers go through all that trouble of looping one duct through the other and he could have done them the regular way and save more space?
diffuser wrote:
Wed Apr 14, 2021 12:02 pm
Wonder why they just don't feed the interline cooler from all/part of the top hole and therefore do away with the whole width thing.
FW17 wrote:
Thu Apr 15, 2021 5:20 pm
Wouldn't have been simpler to run the top duct to the radiators and lower duct to the turbocharger? Rather than all the crisscrossing of ducts?
Blackout wrote:
Wed Apr 14, 2021 10:56 am
And why couldn't they just do like MCL (who had the same PU in 2019 and 2020), or RBR, AT and Alfa and feed the CCS wit the the upper intake, and feed the engine with the lower one?
Same question.
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PlatinumZealot wrote:
Thu Apr 15, 2021 8:07 pm
I think there is another cooler that Scarbs has missed. I suggest that there is one near the roll hoop that is hidden... There are some small hoses on the right side of the car seeming to go up in that direction.
The previous Renault cars had similar hoses and they weren't connected to rads but to air ducts... so maybe those hoses were for air-cooling... for electronic components for example...

As you can see, the previous letter-box slit has been replaced with two vertical slits (green) and each one is now divided in two ducts... so a similar design as the previous RS cars since 2018... but even more complex :P

Now it looks like Rhodes Reiss titan's face, if you watch "Attack on Titan"

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Pics from Albert Fabregas, Sky Sports f1, motorsport.com

The hose you are referring to, platinum, seems to be connected to one of those green ducts, similar to Rs.20, 19 etc.

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So they used version three in FP1
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2021 Emilia Romagna GP - PU status - Alonso gets new exhaust system

I wonder is this related to the damage sustained in Bahrain?

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CLKGTR wrote:
Fri Apr 16, 2021 1:21 pm
2021 Emilia Romagna GP - PU status - Alonso gets new exhaust system

I wonder is this related to the damage sustained in Bahrain?
The exhaust had a overheating problem they couldn’t fix and so very early in the race they had to turn down Alonso’s car which was the reason he was dropping back and then the brake issue with the wrapper meant he’s brakes also started overheating. Basically the worst luck you could get that would have undoubtedly had him finish in the top ten without those problems.

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Another change on the new Alpine's front wing. The cape's foot has a slot and a different radius.
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