Bernie’s sprinkler idea should be revisitedEl Scorchio wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 12:10 pmAnd a jump through a flaming hoop?
Bernie’s sprinkler idea should be revisitedEl Scorchio wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 12:10 pmAnd a jump through a flaming hoop?
There was never anything more than "maybe we could extend the circuit onto Le Portier"214270 wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 12:18 pmCan you link to it pls?, I’d like to read up on it. ThanksEdax wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 11:09 amI think you are right that there was an idea to extend the track on a land reclamation (portier cove). But if I look at the current construction plans it does not look like it can accommodate track.214270 wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 10:43 amStill haven’t caught up on the race; seems like I shouldn’t even bother.
I believe I read a few years ago there was a substantial reclamation project in prelim at Monaco? I don’t know whether that’s been shelved or not as there was a possibility of extending the track into new areas which might save racing at this venue. Short of a complete revamp of the weekend, I don’t see how else to save the Monaco GP.
From 2018 in Forbes quoting Prince Albert II:The most exciting development is for the racing fraternity of Formula One, utilizing the new land to create a new section of track, leading from the downhill Portier to a new section with wide road and a tight hairpin, creating an overtaking spot. The track would then rejoin the original circuit just before the tunnel, thus cutting the speed at which cars go through and reducing the dangers of the confined area.
We always look, every once in a while, at different possibilities of extending the track, and certainly something to think about is that we are building the new land extension. There are no plans or anything yet, it is just in the back of all of our minds — people in the Automobile Club but also in the government — that there could be. I am not saying that it will happen necessarily, but at some point we are going to put our minds together and say, how can we not only improve this, but how can we make it a little more exciting by maybe changing the course slightly? We haven’t gone beyond this simple statement of an idea — something that is in the back of our minds.
Route some of the track "into" the water, make it alternate randomly between being submerged by like 2 cm and just being wet - take F1 aquaplaning to a whole new level.
Mercedes maybe. But the mechanics might be affected (probably not from just 1 weekend in the past year or two). You bust your ass and the star guy is questioning you. There’s a reason Piquet was preferred to Mansell, and why Schumacher is still held in such high regard by people he worked with.Big Tea wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 12:45 pmI don't know that Mercedes will be that bothered about this. I think the only part they will not like is the wheel problem that comes over as a Mercedes fail.
Yes, Lewis is peeved and Woolf is peeved, but look at the big picture and see the extra attraction for the rest of the season.
Some have been complains about the Mercedes steamroller and a forgone conclusion with the fastest car, now they can point at someone else leading the title chase and having to pull the cherry out.
There is only one thing worse than bad publicity, and that's no publicity. It is the equivalent to a soap tv hanger when you think the hero is a goner and you have to be sure to see the following episodes although you know he will win by the end
I mean those in the board room rather than those at the track. But even those at the track need a low to apricate the highs.jjn9128 wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 12:49 pmMercedes maybe. But the mechanics might be affected (probably not from just 1 weekend in the past year or two). You bust your ass and the star guy is questioning you. There’s a reason Piquet was preferred to Mansell, and why Schumacher is still held in such high regard by people he worked with.Big Tea wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 12:45 pmI don't know that Mercedes will be that bothered about this. I think the only part they will not like is the wheel problem that comes over as a Mercedes fail.
Yes, Lewis is peeved and Woolf is peeved, but look at the big picture and see the extra attraction for the rest of the season.
Some have been complains about the Mercedes steamroller and a forgone conclusion with the fastest car, now they can point at someone else leading the title chase and having to pull the cherry out.
There is only one thing worse than bad publicity, and that's no publicity. It is the equivalent to a soap tv hanger when you think the hero is a goner and you have to be sure to see the following episodes although you know he will win by the end
Or random power cuts to the tunnel lights.El Scorchio wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 12:53 pmNow THAT would spice things up. Just at the exit of the tunnel?!
They just need to manufacture ONE point on the circuit where a car reasonably faster than the one in front of it can have a good go at an overtake. I think that would breathe a whole new heap of life into it as a race. There would still be the great challenge of following closely enough over the rest of the lap to set yourself up for it.RZS10 wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 12:33 pmThere was never anything more than "maybe we could extend the circuit onto Le Portier"
From a 2015 Forbes article:From 2018 in Forbes quoting Prince Albert II:The most exciting development is for the racing fraternity of Formula One, utilizing the new land to create a new section of track, leading from the downhill Portier to a new section with wide road and a tight hairpin, creating an overtaking spot. The track would then rejoin the original circuit just before the tunnel, thus cutting the speed at which cars go through and reducing the dangers of the confined area.We always look, every once in a while, at different possibilities of extending the track, and certainly something to think about is that we are building the new land extension. There are no plans or anything yet, it is just in the back of all of our minds — people in the Automobile Club but also in the government — that there could be. I am not saying that it will happen necessarily, but at some point we are going to put our minds together and say, how can we not only improve this, but how can we make it a little more exciting by maybe changing the course slightly? We haven’t gone beyond this simple statement of an idea — something that is in the back of our minds.Route some of the track "into" the water, make it alternate randomly between being submerged by like 2 cm and just being wet - take F1 aquaplaning to a whole new level.
I'm collecting all the ideas and will shoot the FIA/Liberty and the Prince a mail with some drawings/photoshops :^)
He's not having a dig at the mechanics. He's having a dig at the prat perch people. As said in the race , why did they have him protect his tyres and then run him short? Having protected his tyres, it would have made more sense to go long. That sort of thing.jjn9128 wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 12:49 pmMercedes maybe. But the mechanics might be affected (probably not from just 1 weekend in the past year or two). You bust your ass and the star guy is questioning you. There’s a reason Piquet was preferred to Mansell, and why Schumacher is still held in such high regard by people he worked with.Big Tea wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 12:45 pmI don't know that Mercedes will be that bothered about this. I think the only part they will not like is the wheel problem that comes over as a Mercedes fail.
Yes, Lewis is peeved and Woolf is peeved, but look at the big picture and see the extra attraction for the rest of the season.
Some have been complains about the Mercedes steamroller and a forgone conclusion with the fastest car, now they can point at someone else leading the title chase and having to pull the cherry out.
There is only one thing worse than bad publicity, and that's no publicity. It is the equivalent to a soap tv hanger when you think the hero is a goner and you have to be sure to see the following episodes although you know he will win by the end
I've watched all of the interviews for balance, and overall his tone is that as a team they didn't perform this weekend, and he is quite clearly including his own performance in that statement. The "questions" from Dutch TV are obviously trying to provoke a response and they are absolutely about drama, that's what they want as it makes for good TV. The first few questions aren't even questions, just statements about how bad Hamilton's weekend has been, if that's not creating drama what is? They were trying to ruffle his feathers, and they succeeded it seems.Schuttelberg wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 8:15 amThe journalist isn't creating any drama. May be you need to view it with more balance. When asked if there were any learnings he clearly says they're all for the team and none for him.
Let's just say that the team did ask him to go a certain route with set up, then one has to say that over the past eight years Mercedes must have done that often? How often have they been right and got Lewis a win?
You win and lose as a team. In his case, it's often this narrative that when they win it's a team effort but when they lose its just the team. It doesn't work like that. He could have won in Imola had he not put it in the kitty litter. He could have qualified better here like his team mate showed. Also, while Max is 23 and much much more raw, he conducted himself very well with Charles being in the wall. I can show you how Lewis has reacted at the same venue when he couldn't complete a lap against his championship rival?
Some people cannot accept losing and that is fine. The issue at hand is the choice of convenience where all great things are mostly down to him but he isn't to blame when it goes pear shaped. For a seven times world champion to say that about a team that has given him a championship winning car every year bar one is pretty low and shallow as far as I am concerned.
I missed him have a dig at the mechanics ? Or have you just made that bit up ? Of all the Autobiographies I have read, I havent found anyone to speak badly of Lewis. Brawn, Newey, Priestly , Jenson, Mark Hughes, Damon etc have all said how well Lewis works with his team and is a nice guy around the paddock. I respect their opinions and believe they have no reason to lie. Wasn't Lewis just annoyed with the setup direction that went against what he suggested, and the race strategy was flipped on its head at the last second and it failed badly.jjn9128 wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 12:49 pmMercedes maybe. But the mechanics might be affected (probably not from just 1 weekend in the past year or two). You bust your ass and the star guy is questioning you. There’s a reason Piquet was preferred to Mansell, and why Schumacher is still held in such high regard by people he worked with.Big Tea wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 12:45 pmI don't know that Mercedes will be that bothered about this. I think the only part they will not like is the wheel problem that comes over as a Mercedes fail.
Yes, Lewis is peeved and Woolf is peeved, but look at the big picture and see the extra attraction for the rest of the season.
Some have been complains about the Mercedes steamroller and a forgone conclusion with the fastest car, now they can point at someone else leading the title chase and having to pull the cherry out.
There is only one thing worse than bad publicity, and that's no publicity. It is the equivalent to a soap tv hanger when you think the hero is a goner and you have to be sure to see the following episodes although you know he will win by the end
From satellite view there are other roads that could be used. Monaco is bigger than just the waterfront area where the current track is.El Scorchio wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 1:05 pmThey just need to manufacture ONE point on the circuit where a car reasonably faster than the one in front of it can have a good go at an overtake. I think that would breathe a whole new heap of life into it as a race. There would still be the great challenge of following closely enough over the rest of the lap to set yourself up for it.RZS10 wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 12:33 pmThere was never anything more than "maybe we could extend the circuit onto Le Portier"
From a 2015 Forbes article:From 2018 in Forbes quoting Prince Albert II:The most exciting development is for the racing fraternity of Formula One, utilizing the new land to create a new section of track, leading from the downhill Portier to a new section with wide road and a tight hairpin, creating an overtaking spot. The track would then rejoin the original circuit just before the tunnel, thus cutting the speed at which cars go through and reducing the dangers of the confined area.We always look, every once in a while, at different possibilities of extending the track, and certainly something to think about is that we are building the new land extension. There are no plans or anything yet, it is just in the back of all of our minds — people in the Automobile Club but also in the government — that there could be. I am not saying that it will happen necessarily, but at some point we are going to put our minds together and say, how can we not only improve this, but how can we make it a little more exciting by maybe changing the course slightly? We haven’t gone beyond this simple statement of an idea — something that is in the back of our minds.Route some of the track "into" the water, make it alternate randomly between being submerged by like 2 cm and just being wet - take F1 aquaplaning to a whole new level.
I'm collecting all the ideas and will shoot the FIA/Liberty and the Prince a mail with some drawings/photoshops :^)
Easier said than done at Monaco, though. There just isn't the opportunity to make a straight long enough or straight enough. Would removing the nouvelle chicane have any positive effect whatsoever? (If it's even possible)
The only place would be to extend the run from the tunnel. Scrap the chicane and move it further along the Ave JF Kennedy.El Scorchio wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 1:05 pm
They just need to manufacture ONE point on the circuit where a car reasonably faster than the one in front of it can have a good go at an overtake. I think that would breathe a whole new heap of life into it as a race. There would still be the great challenge of following closely enough over the rest of the lap to set yourself up for it.
Easier said than done at Monaco, though. There just isn't the opportunity to make a straight long enough or straight enough. Would removing the nouvelle chicane have any positive effect whatsoever? (If it's even possible)