2021 AMG Mercedes F1 Team

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What ARE the teams allowed to change on the mechanical side of things?

Toto said no AERO updates..... 😉
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The 'theory'? If they were that confident, would they feel they need extra wind tunnel time?
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Big Tea wrote:
Wed Jun 23, 2021 1:15 pm
The 'theory'? If they were that confident, would they feel they need extra wind tunnel time?
Yeah, but that time goes on next season's car!!
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El Scorchio wrote:
Wed Jun 23, 2021 1:10 pm
WaikeCU wrote:
Wed Jun 23, 2021 1:06 pm
Any clarity on how many tokens they have used so far this season?
Absolutely none! (clarity, not the amount they've used)
If none tokens used, I'd say they'll use all tokens after the Summer stop to unveil 'the W12' for the rest of the season.

Imagine "Pre-season testing is done" communication after the Hungarian GP :lol:

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adrianjordan wrote:
Wed Jun 23, 2021 1:17 pm
Big Tea wrote:
Wed Jun 23, 2021 1:15 pm
The 'theory'? If they were that confident, would they feel they need extra wind tunnel time?
Yeah, but that time goes on next season's car!!
Of course #-o
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WaikeCU wrote:
Wed Jun 23, 2021 1:18 pm
El Scorchio wrote:
Wed Jun 23, 2021 1:10 pm
WaikeCU wrote:
Wed Jun 23, 2021 1:06 pm
Any clarity on how many tokens they have used so far this season?
Absolutely none! (clarity, not the amount they've used)
If none tokens used, I'd say they'll use all tokens after the Summer stop to unveil 'the W12' for the rest of the season.

Imagine "Pre-season testing is done" communication after the Hungarian GP :lol:
Although I think any token spend had to be announced/on the car by the first race, so they have missed their opportunity unless it really is something minor or under the skin and already on there. It's hard to understand all the drama they helped create around it with certain bold and quizzical statements, but then with absolutely nothing to follow up with since.

I don't suppose we'll know until at least the end of the season, now.

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im going to enjoy having mercedes take some of the poison they put on others and still failed... gonna love the new front wing rules....

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El Scorchio wrote:
Wed Jun 23, 2021 2:47 pm
WaikeCU wrote:
Wed Jun 23, 2021 1:18 pm
El Scorchio wrote:
Wed Jun 23, 2021 1:10 pm


Absolutely none! (clarity, not the amount they've used)
If none tokens used, I'd say they'll use all tokens after the Summer stop to unveil 'the W12' for the rest of the season.

Imagine "Pre-season testing is done" communication after the Hungarian GP :lol:
Although I think any token spend had to be announced/on the car by the first race, so they have missed their opportunity unless it really is something minor or under the skin and already on there. It's hard to understand all the drama they helped create around it with certain bold and quizzical statements, but then with absolutely nothing to follow up with since.

I don't suppose we'll know until at least the end of the season, now.
That's what I think. Would you need to put tokens on the table when for example you introduce a new car? Like in the past when Ferrari delayed with their new car or when Mclaren introduced the MP4-19B later on the season?

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WaikeCU wrote:
Wed Jun 23, 2021 3:19 pm
El Scorchio wrote:
Wed Jun 23, 2021 2:47 pm
WaikeCU wrote:
Wed Jun 23, 2021 1:18 pm


If none tokens used, I'd say they'll use all tokens after the Summer stop to unveil 'the W12' for the rest of the season.

Imagine "Pre-season testing is done" communication after the Hungarian GP :lol:
Although I think any token spend had to be announced/on the car by the first race, so they have missed their opportunity unless it really is something minor or under the skin and already on there. It's hard to understand all the drama they helped create around it with certain bold and quizzical statements, but then with absolutely nothing to follow up with since.

I don't suppose we'll know until at least the end of the season, now.
That's what I think. Would you need to put tokens on the table when for example you introduce a new car? Like in the past when Ferrari delayed with their new car or when Mclaren introduced the MP4-19B later on the season?
That is the million dollar question!

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This may be a stupid statement or maybe it's already happening, but now Mercedes has taken a second engine, and that engine only has to be used in qualification and the race because the old engine is used for practice, could the new engine not be turned up more?

I know the worry would be long term reliability but as a lot of people here have said the constructors championship is slipping away, would it be worth the risk to turn up the engine to 11, get some wins and if there's premature failures take the penalties?

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I think the engine is fine. It’s the aero efficiency of this car they need to work on.

The front end is not strong because they’ve had to take downforce off to balance out the rear, which is unstable from the floor cuts. This has affected front tire temps, and caused them to have to carry inefficient rear downforce via larger rear wings.
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Marty_Y wrote:
Wed Jun 23, 2021 6:11 pm
This may be a stupid statement or maybe it's already happening, but now Mercedes has taken a second engine, and that engine only has to be used in qualification and the race because the old engine is used for practice, could the new engine not be turned up more?

I know the worry would be long term reliability but as a lot of people here have said the constructors championship is slipping away, would it be worth the risk to turn up the engine to 11, get some wins and if there's premature failures take the penalties?
The 1st unit only ran 7 weekends. The next units have to run 8, also they need a friday unit, if no1 unit fails.

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F1Krof wrote:
Sat Jun 19, 2021 12:11 pm
With what appears to be a yet another low key performance in a track where they're expected to be strong, while Max going 7 tenths faster on the same track, with flexi-wing clampped and tyre pressure gimmickry clamped, we can conclude that Merc's 2021 season to have become a fart in the bottle. My belief is that they where overconfident, overestimated their chance and underestimated the effect of the rule changes and their opponents' abilities.

It had to come to an end sometime.
Agree 100%.

And look Ma, no upgrades!!
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I am reading all these journalists and Mercedes' fans predicting gloom and all, even talking about 'the final blow'.

What are those people on? Everyone that has followed F1 could clearly see the Mercedes had the better race pace in France, and they were beaten (with only 1 and a half lap) on strategy by a very good team with the best driver at the moment (doing stuff that Hamilton used to do in his best races).

Trust me, once the strategy department gets things sorted a driver in a W12 will be on the top step again.
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BrunoH wrote:
Wed Jun 23, 2021 3:13 pm
im going to enjoy having mercedes take some of the poison they put on others and still failed... gonna love the new front wing rules....
Yup, that would be karma.

But let's wait, it is the FIA remember, so they may very well do nothing or say 'from 2022 onwards' like they also handled other issues poorly and slow. I am like 90% sure Mercedes won't be made to change their front wing.
True GOATs don’t need the help of superior material to win.

Tom Brady, Usain Bolt are true GOATs.