Red Bull RB8 Renault

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Adrian Newby wrote:
bhallg2k wrote:The "bridge" is just the most extremely undercut sidepod in F1 history. I think they're cramming all the air they possibly can down the middle in an attempt to force the exhaust to stay outboard.

In a manner of speaking, they're using the air flow over the car to seal off the exhaust so that the exhaust can seal off the air flow under the car.

That's f@^$!# brilliant, if you ask me.
This.

Exactly this.

Well said.
Yep, and this is exactly why I see this solution, and McLaren's as being fundamentally different from Sauber's. Sauber's simply hopes to redirect air and exhaust down into the gap. RBR's and McLaren's swaps the air and the exhaust over, and pushes the exhaust down that hole.

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I think the red exhaust line is correct for cornering speeds. And at speeds greater than the fastest cornering speeds, the exhaust gets blown more straight aft (more along the green line. This is most likely the reason for the naca duct too), reducing the sealing effect, and therefore downforce and drag. You could think of the "bridge" piece of sidepod between these two lines as a speed sensitive/controlled "splitter" for the exhaust flow. The black, heat-resistant portion of the sidepod is probably changeable, in order to tune the splitter to the speed of the fastest corner on each particular circuit.

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That could explain Webber's matter-of-fact assessment of the upgrade. Newey-designed or not, only luck would enable a system that complex to be optimized in its first iteration.

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beelsebob wrote: they wouldn't get away with the "reingested" regulation.
What is the 'reingested' regulation. What section number is it?

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The red line flow does not turn that sharp after leaving the exhaust tip. The is no aero dynamic principle that would dictate such a flow.

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Is there any reason to generated a vortex starting at the location of the exhaust tip?

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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-au8gyw ... re=related[/youtube]

Double floor?, look at the wing he thought it was a new package?

So coming from an expert it wasn't damaged? ;)

Btw that was Webber driving the car...lord and behold...the wing is bent forward...
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hardingfv32 wrote:The red line flow does not turn that sharp after leaving the exhaust tip. The is no aero dynamic principle that would dictate such a flow.
Luckily for Red Bull it's actual exhaust flow that leaves the exhaust tip rather than a hand-drawn red line that roughly represents exhaust flow.

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hardingfv32 wrote:The red line flow does not turn that sharp after leaving the exhaust tip. The is no aero dynamic principle that would dictate such a flow.

Brian
Stop being such a Brian.

There is a channel cut into the sidepod that guides the flow in the same general direction as the red line.

hardingfv32
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The majority of the exhaust flow does not follow this channel. There is no aerodynamic reason it should.

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hardingfv32 wrote:The majority of the exhaust flow does not follow this channel. There is no aerodynamic reason it should.

Brian
Sorry I'm pretty new, but I've been lurking a while.

Could airflow over the sidepods push exhaust gases down the channel at certain speeds?

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Why?

EDIT: e30ernest beat me to it! Damnit, that could have been fun.

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Hail22 wrote:So coming from an expert it wasn't damaged? ;)
That video was around during the morning of Barca 2 Day 3. The raked front wing hadn't happened yet.
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raymondu999 wrote:
Hail22 wrote:So coming from an expert it wasn't damaged? ;)
That video was around during the morning of Barca 2 Day 3. The raked front wing hadn't happened yet.
Agreed, but pause the video...the wing is bent forward when Webber was driving the car... :/
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Hail22 wrote:
raymondu999 wrote:
Hail22 wrote:So coming from an expert it wasn't damaged? ;)
That video was around during the morning of Barca 2 Day 3. The raked front wing hadn't happened yet.
Agreed, but pause the video...the wing is bent forward when Webber was driving the car... :/
Yup.