EU slams Ferrari over Marlboro partnership

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Same question.
Malboro give huge amounts of money to Ferrari, if it is not to promote their tobacco products WTF is it for?

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autogyro wrote:Same question.
Malboro give huge amounts of money to Ferrari, if it is not to promote their tobacco products WTF is it for?
Haven't anyone noticed the change in the red-tone on the Ferrari cars from the 70s to now, come on now?
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autogyro wrote:Same question.
Malboro give huge amounts of money to Ferrari, if it is not to promote their tobacco products WTF is it for?
but then sells the right to put ads on the cars to third parties, probably making money in the process. It's business :D

What I do not understand is how come EU started looking into this now? The Ferrari-Marlboro deal was no secret. Even the team's official name is "Marlboro-Ferrari"?

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vall wrote:
autogyro wrote:Same question.
Malboro give huge amounts of money to Ferrari, if it is not to promote their tobacco products WTF is it for?
but then sells the right to put ads on the cars to third parties, probably making money in the process. It's business :D

What I do not understand is how come EU started looking into this now? The Ferrari-Marlboro deal was no secret. Even the team's official name is "Marlboro-Ferrari"?
Because beurocracy is per definition slow, unless you've noticed. Just look at the damn cars , they have xactly the Marlboro colorscheme.
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xpensive wrote:
vall wrote:
autogyro wrote:Same question.
Malboro give huge amounts of money to Ferrari, if it is not to promote their tobacco products WTF is it for?
but then sells the right to put ads on the cars to third parties, probably making money in the process. It's business :D

What I do not understand is how come EU started looking into this now? The Ferrari-Marlboro deal was no secret. Even the team's official name is "Marlboro-Ferrari"?
Because beurocracy is per definition slow, unless you've noticed. Just look at the damn cars , they have xactly the Marlboro colorscheme.
Does not mean anything! Ferrari's color has been red since how long? 60 years? Any lower can scrap this argument in court. Unless they prove that the bar-code like is indirect ad, they go nothing. As a matter of fact, it was just a comment of a (probably bored) doctor and I am not aware if there is any official word from EU.....

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Believe me the issue will not be allowed to drop.
Ferrari receive money from tobacco profits, nothing else matters not even any advertising.

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What has to be recognised is that a short while ago everybody and all the official bodies in the world believed that Ferrari was essential to FI, motorsport and even to the economy of Europe if not the world.
Things have changed and much of the change is due to the idiocy of Luca Montezemolo. Because it is now obvious as to the reasons for the formation of Fota and the corrupt way it tried to hold the FIA to ransome with threats of a break away series and demands on the FIA structure of governence. It is now obvious that in the current world economic climate and because of the increasing awareness of the world populations to environmental issues and essential demands, there is no longer any requirement to give special treatment to Ferrari. In fact F1 could easily develop now without Ferrari involved at all.
I say the fault was mainly Montezemolos, because Ferrari in his control acted deceitfuly and tried to maintain the unfair advantage it has had, rather than move with the times, accept a budget cap and strive to improve efficiency in fuel use for road and track. Even if Ferrari avoid instant response from the EU, the writing is on the wall and the public (now they are aware of the truth) will keep pressure on until this money is taken away as a just conclusion to corrupt action.

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autogyro wrote:Believe me the issue will not be allowed to drop.
Ferrari receive money from tobacco profits, nothing else matters not even any advertising.
And?
McLaren are sponsored by BAE Systems. Some of their products are pretty deadly.

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and? nothing
Tobacco money for sport is illegal, BAE Systems products are not.
Mind you West is a tobacco company and the McLaren cars look very similar in colour.
Do West give Maca any money?

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andrew wrote:
autogyro wrote:Believe me the issue will not be allowed to drop.
Ferrari receive money from tobacco profits, nothing else matters not even any advertising.
And?
McLaren are sponsored by BAE Systems. Some of their products are pretty deadly.
They're not actually sponsored, they're a technical partnership, neither receive any money off of each other only information about composites, aero etc.

Thats the difference, Ferrari receive money from Marlborough for advertising their product "the barcode" its blatantly obvious...

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autogyro wrote:and? nothing
Tobacco money for sport is illegal, BAE Systems products are not.
Mind you West is a tobacco company and the McLaren cars look very similar in colour.
Do West give Maca any money?
McLaren have stated that the silver paint job is to do with a sponsor who they don't want to name. I can only think that it is West. There is a link to a report about this on one of the earlier pages on this thread.

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Confused_Andy wrote:
andrew wrote:
autogyro wrote:Believe me the issue will not be allowed to drop.
Ferrari receive money from tobacco profits, nothing else matters not even any advertising.
And?
McLaren are sponsored by BAE Systems. Some of their products are pretty deadly.
They're not actually sponsored, they're a technical partnership, neither receive any money off of each other only information about composites, aero etc.

Thats the difference, Ferrari receive money from Marlborough for advertising their product "the barcode" its blatantly obvious...
Do McLaren not carry BAE's name on the cars anymore? They certainly used to not so long ago.

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autogyro wrote:and? nothing
Tobacco money for sport is illegal
strictly speaking, it is not illegal unless this leads to direct or indirect advertisement of tobacco product (not arguing whether it is moral to receive the money or not). I guess this will be quite herd to prove, the colorscheme, the "bar" code,. that's a BS argument

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vall wrote:
autogyro wrote:and? nothing
Tobacco money for sport is illegal
strictly speaking, it is not illegal unless this leads to direct or indirect advertisement of tobacco product (not arguing whether it is moral to receive the money or not). I guess this will be quite herd to prove, the colorscheme, the "bar" code,. that's a BS argument
+1

Ferrari have been red since year dot and as for the bar code, most didn't notice until this "doctor" started bumping his gums.

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An awfull lot of posts to say nothing Andrew.

Ferrari receives money from the proceeds of smoking nicotene.
This is sponsorship and is illegal.

Your turn.