Red Bull RB8 Renault

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Red Bull switched noses some time in Melbourne or Malaysia. It's not entirely new. THey've always blown hot and cold with that nose. They had it since Silverstone 2010; then changed it for the RB7; and now it's back.
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Adrian Newey wrote:This weekend we're evaluating some further evolutions on the bodywork with Mark's car. Seb's car we've actually put back to the launch bodywork. We just wanted to re-evaluate the changes between what we launched with and what we introduced at the last test. The last test was always a planned thing; we had a regulation clarification at the beginning of November which banned the route that we had been developing the exhausts so we decided to launch the car with a kind of legalised version of what we had been working on up to that November date. And then from November we started developing the solution that we saw at the last test and carried in to the first two races.
Interesting. So the A-spec was a sort of legalised bastardised version of something they had earlier. And it turns out (if what Newey's saying is true) that they DIDN'T copy the Sauber/McLaren systems...
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raymondu999 wrote:
Adrian Newey wrote:This weekend we're evaluating some further evolutions on the bodywork with Mark's car. Seb's car we've actually put back to the launch bodywork. We just wanted to re-evaluate the changes between what we launched with and what we introduced at the last test. The last test was always a planned thing; we had a regulation clarification at the beginning of November which banned the route that we had been developing the exhausts so we decided to launch the car with a kind of legalised version of what we had been working on up to that November date. And then from November we started developing the solution that we saw at the last test and carried in to the first two races.
Interesting. So the A-spec was a sort of legalised bastardised version of something they had earlier. And it turns out (if what Newey's saying is true) that they DIDN'T copy the Sauber/McLaren systems...
Depends on whether you actually believe team members when they talk about things that are so crucial or not.

I think it's best to just take everything with a pinch of salt.

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Yes, but we wouldn't have much to discuss otherwise :mrgreen:
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Adrian Newey has confirmed that Vettel will stick with the old exhaust layout for the rest of the weekend, but maybe not beyond

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raymondu999 wrote:
Adrian Newey wrote:This weekend we're evaluating some further evolutions on the bodywork with Mark's car. Seb's car we've actually put back to the launch bodywork. We just wanted to re-evaluate the changes between what we launched with and what we introduced at the last test. The last test was always a planned thing; we had a regulation clarification at the beginning of November which banned the route that we had been developing the exhausts so we decided to launch the car with a kind of legalised version of what we had been working on up to that November date. And then from November we started developing the solution that we saw at the last test and carried in to the first two races.
Interesting. So the A-spec was a sort of legalised bastardised version of something they had earlier. And it turns out (if what Newey's saying is true) that they DIDN'T copy the Sauber/McLaren systems...
Does November seem a little late in the cars development, considering they started working on it long before the end of last season, to recieve a clarfication saying the route they had taken with the exhaust was banned
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so this isn't test spec 2 nor Australian spec but refined C-spec?!?!?! (of course MW car)...
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I don't think it's different enough to be considered a new spec. It's basically an upgraded version of the B-spec.
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Seems dangerous to be trying out all sorts of different specs. Isn't it more efficient to focus on one design and improve that?

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Hm... They are not sure which way to go... Uncharacteristic for Red Bull I must add...
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Goran2812 wrote:Hm... They are not sure which way to go... Uncharacteristic for Red Bull I must add...
Or the exhaust blowing does not matter much. Does it not seem odd that a big team like this is still not sure what direction to point the exhaust flow.

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hardingfv32 wrote:
Goran2812 wrote:Hm... They are not sure which way to go... Uncharacteristic for Red Bull I must add...
Or the exhaust blowing does not matter much. Does it not seem odd that a big team like this is still not sure what direction to point the exhaust flow.

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You could be right! The two Red Bull cars are running differing systems, yet their times are very similar.
Assuming that Vettel is normally the faster driver, it would appear that the two cars are pretty evenly matched.

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gilgen wrote: The two Red Bull cars are running differing systems, yet their times are very similar.
Assuming that Vettel is normally the faster driver, it would appear that the two cars are pretty evenly matched.
You are right, this is about as good a back to back test as we are going to see for the purpose of evaluating how the exhaust should be a configured.

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hardingfv32 wrote:
Goran2812 wrote:Hm... They are not sure which way to go... Uncharacteristic for Red Bull I must add...
Or the exhaust blowing does not matter much. Does it not seem odd that a big team like this is still not sure what direction to point the exhaust flow.

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I think it matters, but everything else about the car needs to be sorted to get any gain from it. Sky interviewed Buemi today and were asking him about the fact they were using 2 different specs. He said the there was a gain to be had from the latest exhaust spec according to the data, but not at the expense of overall balance. He said the launch spec didn't have as much DF as the "blown" solution but had better balance. Basically he said they thought the latest spec has the best potential but needs more development.

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Crucial_Xtreme wrote: didn't have as much DF as the "blown" solution but had better balance.
Balance... We are talking about a transient balance, one more subject to the variations in exhaust flow?

So the assumption would be that last years off throttle blowing was a big help keeping the balance more steady. This year it is back to bigger swings in rear down force levels based on change exhaust flow. Some driver might cope with this better than others.

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