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scarbs wrote:I think the compressor runs in reverse, air exits in the middle and enters via the perimeter inlets fed by the split airbox
What exactly do you mean by this? You are saying that the turbocharger compressor takes air from the outside edge of the compressor wheel and expels it out of the centre. If so then a compressor cannot work like that. A centrifugal compressor works by throwing air outwards at a speed before it goes through a diffuser that converts that velocity to pressure.

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trinidefender wrote:
scarbs wrote:I think the compressor runs in reverse, air exits in the middle and enters via the perimeter inlets fed by the split airbox
What exactly do you mean by this? You are saying that the turbocharger compressor takes air from the outside edge of the compressor wheel and expels it out of the centre. If so then a compressor cannot work like that. A centrifugal compressor works by throwing air outwards at a speed before it goes through a diffuser that converts that velocity to pressure.
He's talking about how the compressor feeds air into the intercooler, not the function of the compressor itself.
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scarbs wrote:I think the compressor runs in reverse, air exits in the middle and enters via the perimeter inlets fed by the split airbox
I don't think it does, I think it runs like a normal compressor but the ducting/casing is pretty trick. I've worked it out from a few pictures and I think it also explains the twin air filters and feeds to the compressor. Just need to find a few minutes to annotate some pictures and do a quick CAD model. Will add details to the Engine Formula thread when I get a chance.
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Facts Only wrote:
scarbs wrote:I think the compressor runs in reverse, air exits in the middle and enters via the perimeter inlets fed by the split airbox
I don't think it does, I think it runs like a normal compressor but the ducting/casing is pretty trick. I've worked it out from a few pictures and I think it also explains the twin air filters and feeds to the compressor. Just need to find a few minutes to annotate some pictures and do a quick CAD model. Will add details to the Engine Formula thread when I get a chance.
I m also pondering the axial turbine option, but the pressure ratio of single stages (demanded by rules) are pretty low, values are near 0.8 - 1.2. There are 2-3 exceptions with value over 2, but that are just exception and doesnt look promising.
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aleks_ader wrote:
Facts Only wrote:
scarbs wrote:I think the compressor runs in reverse, air exits in the middle and enters via the perimeter inlets fed by the split airbox
I don't think it does, I think it runs like a normal compressor but the ducting/casing is pretty trick. I've worked it out from a few pictures and I think it also explains the twin air filters and feeds to the compressor. Just need to find a few minutes to annotate some pictures and do a quick CAD model. Will add details to the Engine Formula thread when I get a chance.
I m also pondering the axial turbine option, but the pressure ratio of single stages (demanded by rules) are pretty low, values are near 0.8 - 1.2. There are 2-3 exceptions with value over 2, but that are just exception and doesnt look promising.
You are thinking of axial compressors. Pretty much all aviation gas turbines use axial turbines. Our helicopter has 1 axial turbine to drive the compressor, bleed air and engine accessory gearbox. There is another separate shaft that uses two turbines to power the shaft that connects to the rotor system gearbox but as I said, compressor and everything else is driven by a single turbine disk.

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Interesting idea to use an axial compressor on the turbocharger, but it won't be fit for Motorsport. The thing that is important to a turbocharger is transient response, the radial turbine is extremely good at transient response because it uses centripetal force combined with very steep blades to sweep the air down and out, the axial turbine as its name implies moves the air axially primarily using a series (stages) of twisted blades and vanes forcing the air down increasing smaller channels. What you find is that the radial turbine has a very large operating window, (it will not stall and it) while the axial turbine has a very narrow one across a range of rpm. If you drop the speed it stalls. This is no good for a car's turbocharger where the turbine speed is changing so much.
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