To be honest I too predicted in 2012 that Hamilton's move to Mercedes would end in a disaster of epic proportions.
At least I can console myself that I'm not a pro F1 journo unlike Saward
To be honest I too predicted in 2012 that Hamilton's move to Mercedes would end in a disaster of epic proportions.
Yeah, you are right. I think it was also here at the Mexican GP last season where Neymar came on the radio. When Lewis won his 4th.Phil wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 4:05 pmNo idea... as I said, I thought it sounded like the audio was broadcast to the venue as well as to the TV viewers. There was just so much hall. And Lewis didn't comment or anything, so I was like... where did that come from? At first I thought it was like a message from Neymar, was it last year or something? :/
I know the VSC is not perfectly fair, but it's probably a bit fairer than localised double yellows which may affect half the field so this change might not be too bad in the long run.search wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 4:12 pmit definitely looked like that yesterday, yes. I mean, Alonso parked the car on a side road next to the marshalls and it took something like 20 seconds to get it out of the way - and we still got a VSC for that. Would be interesting to know if this was due to the short track or if it's a general change of approach.
high speed sections perhaps?zac510 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 4:17 pmI know the VSC is not perfectly fair, but it's probably a bit fairer than localised double yellows which may affect half the field so this change might not be too bad in the long run.search wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 4:12 pmit definitely looked like that yesterday, yes. I mean, Alonso parked the car on a side road next to the marshalls and it took something like 20 seconds to get it out of the way - and we still got a VSC for that. Would be interesting to know if this was due to the short track or if it's a general change of approach.
This possibility exists even without the VSC - any team could easily cause a safety car (and indeed it has famously happened, that was long before the VSC was invented!)Sieper wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 4:25 pmBut if a stopped car will always give a VSC that opens the window to some (dirty tactics) timed bad luck in the junior teams (and/or teams with high reliance on you as an engine supplier). If it is not known (for sure) if a VSC will be triggered this will be less likely.
Yes but it's not as bad as half the field having to slow for double yellow and half the field not having to slow at all. Perfect is the enemy of good in this scenario, IMO!
The amount of car management info and setting adjustments the drivers do is mad. 20 years ago they had brake balance and a radio button to order their after-race steak and beer!Sieper wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:01 pmHere ya go:
https://soundcloud.com/matt-betros
Lewis Mexico:
https://soundcloud.com/ma...eam-radio-mexican-gp-2018
I now see not "most" (sorry) just a few, but interesting nonetheless.
Yep, VSC's are terribly unfair most of the time.. if a VSC situation ends and a driver finds himself halfway down the straight, he loses a lot of time. There is not a better solution though, the same applies (although I argue less so) for double yellow. There will always be cars that will be caught out having to slow down while others are just able to pass without lifting.Sieper wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 4:25 pmBut if a stopped car will always give a VSC that opens the window to some (dirty tactics) timed bad luck in the junior teams (and/or teams with high reliance on you as an engine supplier). If it is not known (for sure) if a VSC will be triggered this will be less likely.
Also There seems to be so much variation in the gap, depending on where you are on the track this can be anywhere up to 6 seconds or so. That is much time in a F1 race.
The only way around it would be for vsc to last full laps and release the car at the same point it was captured.TwanV wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 4:36 pmYep, VSC's are terribly unfair most of the time.. if a VSC situation ends and a driver finds himself halfway down the straight, he loses a lot of time. There is not a better solution though, the same applies (although I argue less so) for double yellow. There will always be cars that will be caught out having to slow down while others are just able to pass without lifting.Sieper wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 4:25 pmBut if a stopped car will always give a VSC that opens the window to some (dirty tactics) timed bad luck in the junior teams (and/or teams with high reliance on you as an engine supplier). If it is not known (for sure) if a VSC will be triggered this will be less likely.
Also There seems to be so much variation in the gap, depending on where you are on the track this can be anywhere up to 6 seconds or so. That is much time in a F1 race.
Ahh good find. Thats interesting, I wonder why ? The surely if they were cleared to use them, they would use them ?search wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 5:19 pmMercedes did the race without the cooling wheel rims again by the way. I had not read that before.
They say it didn't make the difference though. No idea if that's the whole truth or not...
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/merc ... s/3205249/
'just in case'. Better to finish 4th than win and have the cars dsq'd later. Possibly a special case as it was the one that closed out the championship.NathanOlder wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 8:22 pmAhh good find. Thats interesting, I wonder why ? The surely if they were cleared to use them, they would use them ?search wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 5:19 pmMercedes did the race without the cooling wheel rims again by the way. I had not read that before.
They say it didn't make the difference though. No idea if that's the whole truth or not...
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/merc ... s/3205249/