2022 Australian Grand Prix - Melbourne, April 08 - 10

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Manufacturer teams still holding the advantage with the Rube Goldberg engine formula. Reliability still a key engine metric, and Honda/RBPT still struggling in that regard. Fuel pumps and lines seem like odd failure points, these are supplier items. Think of the first RB era, were they suffering engine DNFs so often? At that time they had simpler engines that were easier for the teams to manage. Rightfully RB've resented the current direction the past 8 seasons, they're the main team during that time punching above their weight in the sense of being a non-factory team.

It's good that Ferrari have finally caught up but its a pyrrhic victory. We're stuck with these Euro 6 track engines for a while now. From vroom to zzzz.
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214270 wrote: ↑
Sun Apr 10, 2022 8:53 am
They look slow and I don’t think these cars hold a candle aesthetically to the racecars from generations before; totally underwhelmed. Rant over
Todt and Brawn et al trying to play car stylist while being bureaucrats. The maturing of the formula til 2008 gave us some of the best looking cars imo, since then they look either more boring (2009 on) or more contrived with the 2018(?) mandated swooping angles, and the 2022 mandated MORE swoopy angles. Well, we had swoopy angles once before, and it didn't arrive from a downloadable FIA spec swoopy angles database.

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vorticism wrote: ↑
Sun Apr 10, 2022 9:37 am
Manufacturer teams still holding the advantage with the Rube Goldberg engine formula. Reliability still a key engine metric, and Honda/RBPT still struggling in that regard. Fuel pumps and lines seem like odd failure points, these are supplier items. Think of the first RB era, were they suffering engine DNFs so often? At that time they had simpler engines that were easier for the teams to manage. Rightfully RB've resented the current direction the past 8 seasons, they're the main team during that time punching above their weight in the sense of being a non-factory team.

It's good that Ferrari have finally caught up but its a pyrrhic victory. We're stuck with these Euro 6 track engines for a while now. From vroom to zzzz.
This is how it will play out: F1 will "evolve" into Formula "E -AI". us old schoolers (1974) will be reduced to watching reruns of F1 sport events until it gets banned by YT. then left with the PC gamy Racing shows with flashing graphics photoshopped faces and media manufactured drama.

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Sun Apr 10, 2022 9:52 am
...watching reruns of F1 sport events until it gets banned by YT.
:lol: Video depictions of carbon emissions go against muh community guidlines.

On the plus side we may have global financial collapse before such dystopiana manifests.
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vorticism wrote: ↑
Sun Apr 10, 2022 9:47 am
214270 wrote: ↑
Sun Apr 10, 2022 8:53 am
They look slow and I don’t think these cars hold a candle aesthetically to the racecars from generations before; totally underwhelmed. Rant over
Todt and Brawn et al trying to play car stylist while being bureaucrats. The maturing of the formula til 2008 gave us some of the best looking cars imo, since then they look either more boring (2009 on) or more contrived with the 2018(?) mandated swooping angles, and the 2022 mandated MORE swoopy angles. Well, we had swoopy angles once before, and it didn't arrive from a downloadable FIA spec swoopy angles database.

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07-08 was peak F1, these cars were great.
I think for the Hybrid era in 2021 they looked quite good for some of them and were really fast too.

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Spoutnik wrote: ↑
Sun Apr 10, 2022 9:59 am
07-08 was peak F1, these cars were great.
I think for the Hybrid era in 2021 they looked quite good for some of them and were really fast too.
And peak western civ maybe. As formulas mature this produces good results development wise. Although it took from 2009 to 2018 to really start getting nuance and complexity back, due to all the small formula changes and of course needing to spend 100B euros collectively get the MGUHs across the finish line.
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vorticism wrote: ↑
Sun Apr 10, 2022 10:05 am
Spoutnik wrote: ↑
Sun Apr 10, 2022 9:59 am
07-08 was peak F1, these cars were great.
I think for the Hybrid era in 2021 they looked quite good for some of them and were really fast too.
And peak western civ maybe. As formulas mature this produces good results development wise. Although it took from 2009 to 2018 to really start getting nuance and complexity back, due to all the small formula changes and of course needing to spend 100B euros collectively get the MGUHs across the finish line.
Totally agree, in 2021 we saw peak hybrid era (post-2017) we can say.

Even Indycars are lighter than F1 nowadays..

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Spoutnik wrote: ↑
Sun Apr 10, 2022 10:09 am
vorticism wrote: ↑
Sun Apr 10, 2022 10:05 am
Spoutnik wrote: ↑
Sun Apr 10, 2022 9:59 am
07-08 was peak F1, these cars were great.
I think for the Hybrid era in 2021 they looked quite good for some of them and were really fast too.
And peak western civ maybe. As formulas mature this produces good results development wise. Although it took from 2009 to 2018 to really start getting nuance and complexity back, due to all the small formula changes and of course needing to spend 100B euros collectively get the MGUHs across the finish line.
Totally agree, in 2021 we saw peak hybrid era (post-2017) we can say.

Even Indycars are lighter than F1 nowadays..
yes, but it's for safeties... and equality...and environment...and inclusivity, in fact, its for everything except organic racing

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Totally agree, in 2021 we saw peak hybrid era (post-2017) we can say.
Not sure what the 2022 will be able to produce even with maturity. The regs kneecap most everything. The front wing for example is heavily defined. 4 elements, all with spec spacing and shape limits. Same for rear wing, bargeboards.

Main free areas seem to be beam wing, floor shape, and front sidepod shape, but these will never get much more complex than they already are because of minimum radius rules and limits for profile/edge shapes and holes. I think we'll grow tired of seeing engine cover bulges as the main differentiator.
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vorticism wrote: ↑
Sun Apr 10, 2022 10:18 am
Spoutnik wrote: ↑
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Totally agree, in 2021 we saw peak hybrid era (post-2017) we can say.
Not sure what the 2022 will be able to produce even with maturity. The regs kneecap most everything. The front wing for example is heavily defined. 4 elements, all with spec spacing and shape limits. Same for rear wing, bargeboards.

Main free areas seem to be beam wing, floor shape, and front sidepod shape, but these will never get much more complex than they already are because of minimum radius rules and limits for profile/edge shapes and holes. I think we'll grow tired of seeing engine cover bulges as the main differentiator.
You are right, furthermore it's impossible to reduce the weight...

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vorticism wrote: ↑
Sun Apr 10, 2022 10:18 am
Main free areas seem to be beam wing, floor shape, and front sidepod shape, but these will never get much more complex than they already are because of minimum radius rules and limits for profile/edge shapes and holes. I think we'll grow tired of seeing engine cover bulges as the main differentiator.
I struggle to agree that something like the below is better! :lol:

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Nor did Indycar for that matter... They got rid of those monstrosities and thank goodness for that.

So the F1 bodywork rules mandate relatively clean, simplistic lines: good!!

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dialtone wrote: ↑
Sun Apr 10, 2022 7:52 am
Alonso tried to go for fastest lap at the end of the race, pitted for new mediums but couldn't beat the last lap from LEC on 34 lap old Hards.
Leclerc had DRS and some slipstream in all 3 zones on his last lap, so that helped.

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vorticism wrote: ↑
Sun Apr 10, 2022 10:18 am
Spoutnik wrote: ↑
Sun Apr 10, 2022 10:09 am


Totally agree, in 2021 we saw peak hybrid era (post-2017) we can say.
Not sure what the 2022 will be able to produce even with maturity. The regs kneecap most everything. The front wing for example is heavily defined. 4 elements, all with spec spacing and shape limits. Same for rear wing, bargeboards.

Main free areas seem to be beam wing, floor shape, and front sidepod shape, but these will never get much more complex than they already are because of minimum radius rules and limits for profile/edge shapes and holes. I think we'll grow tired of seeing engine cover bulges as the main differentiator.
soon we will have standard aerodynamic wheel appendages, standard front wing endplates, standard rear wing endplates standard wheel rims, standard battery, standard gearbox (excluding gear cartridge).

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214270 wrote: ↑
Sun Apr 10, 2022 8:53 am
The racing isn’t better, I don’t care what BS the media try to spin it as. Cars look lazy, watching a car bounce on the straight is a crap spectacle. Over kerbs they look stiff as hell with no compliance, the DRS back & forth from last couple of races is cartoonish. They look slow and I don’t think these cars hold a candle aesthetically to the racecars from generations before; totally underwhelmed. Rant over
I think that is hyperbole. Sure the Ferrari F1-75 is a little bit of a different shape than the best-looking Grand Prix car series of all-time (Ferrari 640-643), but it still looks rather nice indeed. At least the F1-75 is not one of those F1 cars with the silly narrow 180cm track (1998-2016), even if adding the extra 15cm back to the proper 215cm car width rule would be most welcome.

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NicoS wrote: ↑
Sun Apr 10, 2022 10:16 am
yes, but it's for safeties... and equality...and environment...and inclusivity, in fact, its for everything except organic racing
Organic racing is discriminatory toward losers. In fact, at every single race, did you know that 95% of the participants are considered to be 'losers.' This is unfair and must be changed. A single level shared podium at the end of the 'race' (another problematic term for the sport) would be a step in the right direction.

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vorticism wrote: ↑
Sun Apr 10, 2022 10:18 am
Main free areas seem to be beam wing, floor shape, and front sidepod shape, but these will never get much more complex than they already are because of minimum radius rules and limits for profile/edge shapes and holes. I think we'll grow tired of seeing engine cover bulges as the main differentiator.
I struggle to agree that something like the below is better! :lol:

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Nor did Indycar for that matter... They got rid of those monstrosities and thank goodness for that.
What make of combine harvester is this? Also...

>snapple

how hilarious would it have been if RB had been Snapple all these years?
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