One would expect a similar front-wing flow structure for similar numerical targets to be similar?napoleon1981 wrote: ↑Thu May 19, 2022 11:38 pmWell clearly it got re-created. Reverse engineering is a lot easier if you understand the philosophy behind the concept, and what it is trying to accomplish. I would imagine that if you understand what a concept is trying to accomplish and know the numerical targets that it hits, it would be fairly easy to re-create in some iterations of CFD. In fact this would be more powerful then copying from pictures.PlatinumZealot wrote: ↑Thu May 19, 2022 9:53 pmAre you saying Dan Fellows carried a dossier of RedBull drawings to Aston Martin?
You need photos. Every now and then I reverse engineering myself (both machines and structures) and photos, lots of photos are key to that process.
The RedBull aero chief can advise them how to it works and what to expect but he won't have any drawings with him. And he is not allowed to recreate the design even from memory.
Owen.C93 wrote: ↑Thu May 19, 2022 8:37 pmMore of a downfall of other teams IMO that copy an idea roughly instead of what AM do.
They aren't trying to win the WCC this year, so I don't know why people are pointing out they won't beat RB with this car.
The point it to take a working concept and try and understand it.
It worked out great a couple of years ago, even though they didn't have all the suspension details needed to get it to work fully.
Yeah i was going to comment the samse, the car had the huge front undercut anyway, and also it had the huge outer strake before, now theyve doubled it up like RB. Would be good to get a picture of their full strake arrangment, see if theyve fullu copied RB on that too or just the outter pair.VacuousFlamboyant wrote: ↑Fri May 20, 2022 2:58 amTo be fair, the AMR22 had that deep cut in the sidepod above the floor entry before any team and they said during the presentation that the upper section of the sidepod would change a lot.
They're all copying each other at this point, to some extent. The cost cap makes it easier as no one is further down in the development cycle.
from this photo the two floors look similar, at least in the concept, they simply had to copy the sidepodssilver wrote: ↑Fri May 20, 2022 7:58 amhttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/FTIolfzakAA ... ame=medium
ema00 wrote: ↑Fri May 20, 2022 8:39 amfrom this photo the floor looks similar, at the least in the concept, they simply had to copy the sidepodssilver wrote: ↑Fri May 20, 2022 7:58 amhttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/FTIolfzakAA ... ame=medium