2025 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[AR3-GP]

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It's been a while. Any insights to the problems that Ferrari had in Hungary?

[Andi76]

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It's been a while. Any insights to the problems that Ferrari had in Hungary?

Unfortunately, not really.

[Seanspeed]

So McLaren has already won 10 races this year which is the same amount of wins Ferrari collected from 2020 to 2024.
They will finish the year around 20 wins, probably. In order to arrive at 20 wins for Ferrari we need to go back to mid 2017.

These results highlight the difference between a Team that worked well with the goal of winning the world championship:
- Pushed for budget cap which allowed them to compete
- Invested huge amount of money in state of the start structures
- Hired top engineers and put great talents in leading positions

People thinking that Ferrari can produce a better car than McLaren are completely delusional.

I dont find stats like this all that useful. In season with 24 races per season, of course if you find yourself with the best car, you're going to rack up tons of wins in that given season that distort historic statistics.

Also, Ferrari very clearly work with the same goal as Mclaren. Many sports fans have this weird and mythological idea of 'competitors just wanted it more' which really isn't the case. Ferrari's issues this year are in fact quite specifically related to their desire to win the championship by making some bolder steps that would be needed to compete with Mclaren. It didn't work, but just sticking with last year's concept was clearly never going to be good enough. So they tried.

Mclaren simply have a better technical organization at the moment. There's nothing more complicated about it than that. It's an extremely hard thing to achieve, which is why even the previous superteam of Mercedes and the perennially topline Red Bull also cant match them.

I'm not massively optimistic for next year, but resets provide opportunity and unpredictability. Mercedes were major favorites for the 2022 rules reset and they ended up fumbling it quite badly and never really recovered even a couple seasons later.

Hope never dies.

[Sergej]

[deadhead]

Ok so they are just trying different methods to try and manage the problem.

This car is an absolute mess from a technical standpoint.

When was the last time they produced such a disaster? The illegal engine car? I’m not even sure if that was as bad as this.

[WardenOfTheNorth]

Ok so they are just trying different methods to try and manage the problem.

This car is an absolute mess from a technical standpoint.

When was the last time they produced such a disaster? The illegal engine car? I’m not even sure if that was as bad as this.

2009 would be my suggestion. Until you realise that everyone else, except McLaren, is also struggling and maybe Ferrari aren't actually as bad as everyone keep suggesting.

[ScuderiaLeo]

With the amount of Lico they have to do, maybe P4 would've been the end result no matter what... but I wonder why they didn't communicate the plan properly? It sounds like Leclerc was completely taken aback by the choices the team made. Did they not agree on a plan beforehand? Why did Leclerc think they were doing something else?

[AR3-GP]

With the amount of Lico they have to do, maybe P4 would've been the end result no matter what... but I wonder why they didn't communicate the plan properly? It sounds like Leclerc was completely taken aback by the choices the team made. Did they not agree on a plan beforehand? Why did Leclerc think they were doing something else?

Leclerc is a driver. He is not seeing the information from the sensors and he cannot predict the plank wear. They have more information on the pit wall. It must be something that they think couldn't be managed with LICO. I don't think this is a situation where it's possible for the driver to make the call about how it will be managed.

[Emag]

To me it feels like McLaren is the exception of these regulations. They somehow found/understood something that has allowed them to maintain a development rate that none of the others could match. If you remove McLaren, even with all these plaguing issues, Ferrari would have been the leading force these last two years.

As for handling quirks, it seems like it’s just a symptom of these cars. Max was winning races by a landslide in 2023 and there were still races where he had bad things to say about the car. All drivers have complained about a weird feeling at some point with their respective cars, including McLaren drivers this year.

Ferrari has done a really great job all things considered. In my opinion, they have been bit in the a** this year because of their original floor concept. It inherently has a lot of potential, but unfortunately it doesn’t seem like it’s maintainable. SF25, when allowed to run without constraints, can be faster than the MCL39. The problem is that they seemingly haven’t managed to run it without constraints for a full race so far this season.

[deadhead]

To me it feels like McLaren is the exception of these regulations.

What about the RBR car form 2022, 2023, and 2024?

[Emag]

To me it feels like McLaren is the exception of these regulations.

What about the RBR car form 2022, 2023, and 2024?

Ferrari had a better car than RedBull in 2022. They failed to develop it as well and were also massively hindered by the mid season TD so RedBull ran with it. But it started out as a very close season.

2023, for some reason, both Mercedes and Ferrari dropped the ball hard and that flattered RedBull, who simply developed and refined their 2022 concept. The fact that Aston at the first half and then McLaren the second half were consistently 2nd force to RedBull tells you how badly Ferrari and Mercedes messed up.

And I don’t know why you mention 2024 as a good year for RedBull. They took advantage of a good start but that car was all over the place.