Excellent first post! And well said.
(Of course I would say that, but it does seem like you would have had a well-considered post even if you agreed with the other point of view on this subject)
Welcome aboard.
I don't see anything in those photos that would make me change my mind.bhallg2k wrote:I guess I needed to be a little more explicit.
I think the "inboarders" have won the day.
(You know what I hate more than being wrong? Having to say it twice.)
I think Bhall just misread them, with the funky angle they were taken at.Dragonfly wrote:Sorry, I have no clue why those pictures are shown and what on them proves flow goes inboard.bhallg2k wrote:I guess I needed to be a little more explicit.
I think the "inboarders" have won the day.
(You know what I hate more than being wrong? Having to say it twice.)
Oh, I think you're correct. What I mean is that the fact that the tunnel exists has lead to a lot of theories that have just muddied the water.Crucial_Xtreme wrote:I'm not sure what you mean Pup? I don't think the reason for the tunnel is under discussion, McLaren achieve the same thing without a tunnel.Pup wrote:Personally, I think y'alls problem is that you're thinking too much about the tunnel and not enough about what makes it. That is, the tunnel has always been there - it's just that they hadn't pointed it out for you.
Obviously it's about what the exhaust does or doesn't do.
I saw an interview with Christian Horner saying something to the effect of "The updates you are seeing today were begun a month ago". And he was talking about the new exhaust.Jimi_Hendrix_1967 wrote:Can some of you explain how long the running time is designing and manufacturing on an update red bull introduced last week? Some people in the f2012 thread seem angry why Ferrari cant produce such in 3 weeks time.
I have to say, I'm somewhat surprised! I'd have thought they would have spent longer gearing the design around the exhausts. Its a pretty fundamental change in position to only have started a month ago.Adrian Newby wrote:I saw an interview with Christian Horner saying something to the effect of "The updates you are seeing today were begun a month ago". And he was talking about the new exhaust.
I don't know. Maybe they are in connection with the rumored DRS activated rear wing f-duct.bhallg2k wrote:I don't think such a split is intended; there are simpler ways to accomplish that goal, though I can't imagine why you'd want it.
(What are these?)
On Mercedes main plane:thomin wrote:Well, here's the latest AMuS article on the issue:
http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/form ... 68262.html
Unfortunately, it's still somewhat vague. I'll translate the relevant part:
...One could activate the F-duct with the same button that activates DRS. Not legal? Sure is. AMuS has investigated and found out that it's possible under certain conditions.
The rules allow the button to have secondary or tertiary functions, as long as their activation lies behind the FIA-interface and is operated by the same mechanism [as DRS]. He who adjusts the flap on the rear wing hydraulically must therefore also activate the F-duct hydraulically.
Hydraulic connections for the DRS.bhallg2k wrote:I don't think such a split is intended; there are simpler ways to accomplish that goal, though I can't imagine why you'd want it.
(What are these?)
Hmm. Interesting that Mercedes has placed all of them on the main plane of the rear wing, whilst Red Bull has them split between the main plane and the beam wing. I wonder why Mercedes is seemingly so keen on the internal structure of their beam wing being uncluttered. Hmm.Crucial_Xtreme wrote:Hydraulic connections for the DRS.
Yes, but there is the opportunity cost to consider as well. They will have lost all of the time and effort they could have been applying to something else. And since it seems (to me anyway) that they have put more into getting EBD to work than the others, they will have lost more as well.Crucial_Xtreme wrote:Actually if it doesn't work as well as they intended it to, I think they'll revert back to the launch position and probably be fine. It seemed to work well. It's nice to have options.Adrian Newby wrote:If their EBD doesn't work well enough, Red Bull are more fully invested in it than the other teams and will pay a larger price for their mis-step.
I actually asked Scarbs what those were & he said DRS hydraulics for the RB & for the Merc the supposed F-Duct RW thing, but of course he is as skeptical as many. I agree it's interesting placement.bhallg2k wrote:Hmm. Interesting that Mercedes has placed all of them on the main plane of the rear wing, whilst Red Bull has them split between the main plane and the beam wing. I wonder why Mercedes is seemingly so keen on the internal structure of their beam wing being uncluttered. Hmm.Crucial_Xtreme wrote:Hydraulic connections for the DRS.
A question for another time and another place.
(Michael Caine's voice recited those words in my head as I typed them. I don't know why.)