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bhallg2k wrote: EDIT: Perhaps Red Bull puts the engine in neutral for every braking event and uses KERS harvesting to take the place of engine braking. Although, that would likely contravene the rules on KERS energy storage limits unless excess energy can be discharged by other means.
Thats is imposible beacuse the KERS unit is atacth infront engine itself.. so if you put in neutral durin braking you lose engine braking and also KERS harvesting.. simply doest make sense...
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There's no requirement for KERS be located on the front of the engine. And don't forget that Red Bull has placed at least the KERS battery on the gearbox in the past.

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bhallg2k wrote:There's no requirement for KERS be located on the front of the engine. And don't forget that Red Bull has placed at least the KERS battery on the gearbox in the past.
No no i talk about eletric/generator motor... Dont forget about that still very importand part of whole KERS unit... :wink: That is actually REAL mehanic link wiht tooth gearings atatch on the engine crankchaft and eventually on gearbox, diff... and eventually to the tyres.

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I recon this Scarbs blog...
http://scarbsf1.wordpress.com/2012/01/2 ... velopment/
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alogoc wrote:i heard a rumor that it's not the off-throttle blowing because RB or Renault has developed a system where driver actually don't let go of the gas pedal in the corner but cylinders are deactivating it self.......!

something like that anyway!
isn' t that illegal?

5.5 Engine torque demand :
5.5.1 The only means by which the driver may control the engine torque is via a single chassis mounted foot (accelerator) pedal.

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aleksandergreat wrote:No no i talk about eletric/generator motor... Dont forget about that still very importand part of whole KERS unit... :wink:
No, I understood your point. I guess I wasn't very clear in making mine, though.

Most teams place KERS batteries underneath the fuel tank. Red Bull, on the other hand, placed theirs on the transmission. Because of that, and because the location is not mandated in the regulations, you really have to keep an open mind about KERS placement in general. You never know what an F1 engineer might do, especially one like Adrian Newey.

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Preview picture from Craig S (@Scarbsf1) for Red Bull's solution here.

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Kiril Varbanov wrote:Preview picture from Craig S (@Scarbsf1) for Red Bull's solution here.
10x man : )

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There would be no added engine braking and that is a huge part of it that they now depend on.
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strad wrote:There would be no added engine braking and that is a huge part of it that they now depend on.
Slipper clutch perhaps?

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alogoc wrote:I think it a fact that Adrian Newey is a genius,but always on a border of legality!
As a designer, if you aren't on the border of legality, you shouldn't be in Formula 1.

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rayden wrote:
alogoc wrote:I think it a fact that Adrian Newey is a genius,but always on a border of legality!
As a designer, if you aren't on the border of legality, you shouldn't be in Formula 1.

for example the off throttle is banned but Newey just keeps persistentning on it because FIA stated the rule wrongly!

he crossed the border!

instead of the software FIA gave the teams to control engine maps the rulu should be very simple,any gasases that come out of the exhaust when driver relesees the gas are prohibited,put sensors on exhaust if it blows when off throttle vo-la illegal!

engine reliability!?

nonsense!
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alogoc wrote:for example the off throttle is banned but Newey just keeps persistentning on it because FIA stated the rule wrongly!
No it's not, doing certain things with the engine mapping are illegal. The media over-simplified the rule when they relayed it to you.

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RB8 today in Silverstone

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Better picture of the RB8 today

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Another set of close ups

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