The significant upgrade to the car was the Coanda Exhaust, as soon as they had it working. It made the car more stable in mid corner and exit, which allowed Vettel to unfold his full potential.CHT wrote:Looking back the 2012, it is without any doubt that RBR has done wonders to turn a car that was struggling in both race and qualifying mid way through the season and turn it into a pole setter and winner.
Question to ask is, that was the most significant upgrade which RBR mid way in the season that make it a winner?
I disagree. they had the coanda exhaust earlier . The difference came when they tunnelled the exhaust gasses to the beam wing.Plutus wrote:The significant upgrade to the car was the Coanda Exhaust, as soon as they had it working. It made the car more stable in mid corner and exit, which allowed Vettel to unfold his full potential.CHT wrote:Looking back the 2012, it is without any doubt that RBR has done wonders to turn a car that was struggling in both race and qualifying mid way through the season and turn it into a pole setter and winner.
Question to ask is, that was the most significant upgrade which RBR mid way in the season that make it a winner?
However the race pace of the RB8 did not seem to bad, at the beginning of the season, if I remember correctly the car was seemingly easy on its tires in the race, they just had problems "turning them on" for qualifying.
Maybe gilgen is a insider who knows that the exhaust we saw was a dummy. The real exhaust exits in the tunnel...raymondu999 wrote:Tunnelled exhaust gases? They tunnelled EXHAUST gases? Are you sure?
I know you are joking but there is no way that would be done.McMrocks wrote:Maybe gilgen is a insider who knows that the exhaust we saw was a dummy. The real exhaust exits in the tunnel...raymondu999 wrote:Tunnelled exhaust gases? They tunnelled EXHAUST gases? Are you sure?
Yes. the coanda exhausts onto the rear floor and the airflow around the base of the sidepod, helps draw some hot gasses through the tunnels. Go back on photos of testing, and see where the heat sensors are placed.raymondu999 wrote:Tunnelled exhaust gases? They tunnelled EXHAUST gases? Are you sure?
So do the exhaust gases pass through the tunnel or don't they?gilgen wrote:they tunnelled the exhaust gasses to the beam wing.
Scarbs - always a great read:gilgen wrote:Yes. the coanda exhausts onto the rear floor and the airflow around the base of the sidepod, helps draw some hot gasses through the tunnels. Go back on photos of testing, and see where the heat sensors are placed.raymondu999 wrote:Tunnelled exhaust gases? They tunnelled EXHAUST gases? Are you sure?
Hope that clears it up.The exhaust blows down the tail of the sidepod, over a ramp made to try to attach the exhaust flow to the bodywork via a coanda effect to direct it in the correct gap between the rear tyre and diffuser. This is the same area the teams aimed their exhausts directly at last year. This area helps both seal the diffuser from flow blown laterally from the rear tyres and also the greater mass flow of the exhaust plume creates more flow through the diffuser, with both effects adding downforce. This solution follows the same path as the much applauded Sauber solution. Although the two systems were developed in parallel and RBR did not copy the Sauber after seeing it launch. The RB8 always was planned to run the V2 set up.
To keep the airflow passing over the top and centre of the diffuser, teams direct the fast moving flow from the sidepods undercut to this area. In Red Bulls case, the path of this flow is obstructed by the exhaust ramp and plume. To overcome this Red Bull have simply created a tunnel for the air to pass under the exhaust ramp and remerge towards the centre of the diffuser. This solution looks like is major aim was to direct flow to the start motor hole, an area exploited by ductwork on the 2011 RB7. Having more airflow passing into the starter motor hole, makes the hole act like a blown slot, making the airflow better up and under the middle section of diffuser for more downforce. Creating a crossover effect is somewhat like McLarens bulged exhaust fairing, that allow both the exhaust to be directed down to the diffuser edge by the downwash flow over the sidepod, but also creates a channel beneath the exhaust bulge to allow the undercut flow to reach the centre of the diffuser.
gilgen wrote:they tunnelled the exhaust gasses to the beam wing.
I don't think that's what gilgen was saying:wesley123 wrote:it doesnt. What gilgen is trying to say is that the exhaust and it's position will draw air through the tunnel and help draw exhaust air out of the cooling hole.
While the effect is true, and was used in 2010 for the blown diffusers, I personally think the exhaust is too far away from the cooling exhaust and where this dirty air and air from the tunnel mix. So I dont think hte exhaust has much effect of drawing air through the tunnel
The Red Bull does not (to my understanding) flow any exhaust gas through the tunnel (well, none intentionally anyway). Please correct me here if I'm wrong, but I thought the ramp fed the exhaust gases to the diffuser and the tunnel took air from the side pods to the starter motor?gilgen wrote:Yes. the coanda exhausts onto the rear floor and the airflow around the base of the sidepod, helps draw some hot gasses through the tunnels. Go back on photos of testing, and see where the heat sensors are placed.raymondu999 wrote:Tunnelled exhaust gases? They tunnelled EXHAUST gases? Are you sure?