Ferrari F14T

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RZS10
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charlex wrote:
RZS10 wrote:from AMuS:
"Das neue Kühlsystem von Ferrari scheint ja durchaus leistungsfähiger zu sein, haben die die Exklusivrechte bei dem Hersteller, oder können andere Teams ebenfalls auf das System setzen und somit ihre Kühlkästen verkleinern?"
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"Wir wissen 100 prozentig, dass Ferrari letztes Jahr schon mit den innovativen Kühlern einer US-Firma gefahren ist. Die Konkurrenz nimmt an, dass dies auch in dieser Saison der Fall ist. Von Mercedes wissen wir, dass den Ingenieuren der Wechsel zu riskant war. Auch die meisten anderen Teams dürften wohl noch auf die herkömmlichen Kühlern setzen. Exklusivrechte gibt es unserer Info nach nicht. Die Technik der Kühler ist nur kompliziert und sehr teuer."


Question: Ferrari's new cooling system seems to be more efficient, do they have an exclusive deal with the manufacturer or could other teams use that system as well and tighten up their sidepods?

Answer: We know for sure that Ferrari used innovative radiators from a US manufacturer last year. The competing teams assume that they are using them this year also. We know that Mercedes engineers considered a change to be too high-risk. Most other teams probably use conventional radiators as well. There is no exclusive deal as far as we know. The technology behind those radiators is very complicated and expensive.
in 2014 season.. no one knows! The cooling systems are very different this year compared to last year. If Ferrari had discovered something new in this area certainly wouldnt go to tell reporters!!
It is not about the cooling solution in general, just about the radiators they use, and it's safe to assume that they still use those "special" ones, we'll know how they are placed and how many they have once we see the car without the engine cover/sidepods .
iirc the 'special radiators' theory has been discussed on this forums (just don't know with what conclusion)

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Other Tech directors were fairly sure that Ferrari running water-to-air intercoolers and that Ferrari werent alone in that respect.

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Who else is being mentioned in that respect?
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zeph wrote:It's been bugging me these last few days, the F14T's nose reminded me of something, and this morning it fnally hit me:

1978 Arrow A1
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... 12_(1).jpg
How difficult would it be to write regulations that only allowed such simple (as per todays standards) aero?

Those cars were beautiful!

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dr_cooke wrote:
zeph wrote:It's been bugging me these last few days, the F14T's nose reminded me of something, and this morning it fnally hit me:

1978 Arrow A1
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... 12_(1).jpg
How difficult would it be to write regulations that only allowed such simple (as per todays standards) aero?

Those cars were beautiful!
Well, see if you can define what it means to have "simple" aero, and you'll find out ;)

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I reckon they could make templates and not allow variation beyond a set amount.
Like NASCAR.

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Maynard G. Krebs wrote:I reckon they could make templates and not allow variation beyond a set amount.
Like NASCAR.
That would make all the cars look the same, which is clearly not the desired effect. Also, the second you allow any variation, people will put weird devices in that space. See for example McLaren's suspension – they allowed 100mm variation there, and suddenly someone fills it with a weird aero device.

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Forza
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Jerez - Pre-season Test 1- Day 4
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richard_leeds wrote:A quick reminder that the car threads are a haven for exploring the actual features of the actual car.

We have other threads for team & race conversations.


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Forza wrote:Jerez - Pre-season Test 1- Day 4
http://www.formule1.nl/media/uploads/me ... 935.05.jpg
why use flow viz paint on the floor ?

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Ozan wrote:
Forza wrote:Jerez - Pre-season Test 1- Day 4
http://www.formule1.nl/media/uploads/me ... 935.05.jpg
why use flow viz paint on the floor ?
Presumaly they want to find out how the air is flowing over the diffuser.

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Ferrari V6 Turbo al apagarse http://wp.me/p2iB5Y-Ze

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To me it looks like they want to see how the cooling outlets interact with the airstream. I think, how air is controlled within the chassis is the biggest area of development this year that will yield large gains. Where to heat it and where to channel relatively cool air will make the biggest difference. Notice how the coke bottle shape of most cars terminates at the opposite area of the diffuser kink? Hot air is more viscous than cooler air so as it travels towards the coke bottle rear, the increased viscosity of the heated air increases the overall pressure above the vehicle directly over where the diffuser has it's low pressure peak. Exploiting this is all that's left besides the usual wing diffuser and aero appendage evolutions, and is also the area with least restrictions and greatest capacity for innovation.
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Forza wrote:Jerez - Pre-season Test 1- Day 4
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An interesting feature on this car is the overcut shape of the sidepod in the zone where tha skf, brembo and magneti marelli ads are. Taking a leaf from rbr book here.
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muelte
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Not exactly an idea from RedBull (or a signal of cooling problems) It was there last year as well:

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