2016 Belgian Grand Prix - Fri 26 – Sun 28 Aug 2016

[dans79]

Banning Verstappen??
For what? What a load of BS is that ....

Your continued defense of his arrogant driving is BS........

[turbof1]

Guys here, from denying that the SuperSofts wouldn't have lasted for few laps to now arguing it differently, after looking at the Palmer's numbers, I like the change in your thinking.

Need to leave.... have fun. Tada.

If you drive 5-6 seconds above the potential of the tyre, then of course it is going to last. Unfortunaly the reality is you'll loose more time with the necessary pacing, then driving around with a harder tyre you can push longer and harder to its potential. If Hamilton had to change tyres after 11 laps on the soft tyres, then what are you expecting from the outcome of 12 laps supersofts?

[Sonador]

Banning Verstappen??
For what? What a load of BS is that ....

Your continued defense of his arrogant driving is BS........

Snarky

[sosic2121]

Wow he is angry, never seen him that way.
I can translate it but i think you wil miss what he is talking about.

Basicly he feels that in turn 1 he could make the corner cleanly, but that the Ferrari's just turned in on him.
And on basis of that, he was very agressive in defending.

His floor was also heavily damaged.

I can somewhat understand the anger, because it was his home race.

Well, russia was kyiat's home race.

I wasn't happy then because i had a feeling RB replaced idiot with a bigger one...

Why call Kvyat and Verstappen idiots?
A bit uncalled for, both are very good.

Kvyat needs to find motivation and consintentcy, Verstappen needs more experience an calm a bit down.

Both are very quick, reckless and arrogant, but i disagree that they are "very good" drivers.

I started writing a very long post about them, but it's pointless. IMO Sainz is a better driver then both of them, and Ricciardo is in another universe.
They are lacking respect, not only for other drivers, but for their teams and teammates. They have non of the qualities greatest drivers had.

[ChrisDanger]

Kevin is okay, and will be racing at Monza next weekend.
https://twitter.com/KevinMagnussen/stat ... 2794898432

[Sonador]

Well, russia was kyiat's home race.

I wasn't happy then because i had a feeling RB replaced idiot with a bigger one...

Why call Kvyat and Verstappen idiots?
A bit uncalled for, both are very good.

Kvyat needs to find motivation and consintentcy, Verstappen needs more experience an calm a bit down.

Both are very quick, reckless and arrogant, but i disagree that they are "very good" drivers.

I started writing a very long post about them, but it's pointless. IMO Sainz is a better driver then both of them, and Ricciardo is in another universe.
They are lacking respect, not only for other drivers, but for their teams and teammates. They have non of the qualities greatest drivers had.

I agree to some extend, Sainz has a very good and honest and humble personality.
But i do not think he is a better driver than Verstappen or Ricciardo.

Kyvat over one lap had amazing pace (pre demotion), but lacks a bit in consitantcy.
If he gets that sorted he wil be fine for the future.

Remmember the battle between Ricciardo against Vergne within Torro Rosso?
Ricciardo was/is fenomal on one lap pace, but lacked racepace/craft compared to Vergne.
After his promoton he sorted the racepace out, and became the complete driver he is now, wich is amazing to watch.

Verstappen just needs to cool down a bit, but i dont think banning him is the right thing to do here.
I am not a Verstappen fan(or of is old man) never had been. But i do find it refreshing, to watch him ruffle up some feathers.
He just need to be a bit more tactical, and cool down a bit.

Martin Brundle had a nice thing to say about it during the race.
"he is just like a puppy dog, and takes on every fight, but he needs to watch Prost or Lauda and learn to pick your fights"
Or something like that ...

[Edax]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfmjFg8WRzo

Can someone translate this?

Fast translation:

On first corner:
- Didn't understand what the ferraris where doing there. They just turned into me.
- I Had good grip, no wheel locking, could have made the corner OK.
- result was wing damage, severe floor damage. High tire deg and diffult in slow corners.

on ferrari radio messages:
- That is good, they should curse at me.
- They messed up my race I'm not just going to let them pass.
- I rather drive them of the track.
- But no pentalty, I was within the regulations.

Personally. I don't mind a bit of controversy around the track. That was partly which made f1 so much fun in the Senna Prost years. Actually this reminds me of some of the Senna interviews.

But it should not result in unsafe situations on track.

For me the blocking move of VES on RAI was over that limit. The only problem is that the regulations allow blocking so it his right to do it. Wether it is smart to do so: Ithink at some point someone is going to run into the back of him.

[Jolle]

The corner incident reminded me of China, two ferraris bumping each other into a redbull who was a bit opportunistic on the inside.

With Verstappen, I think that this is his immaturity a bit, bumping fenders when you've got your eye on someone. I think it would be wise if dr Marko and Whiting have a small chat with him, that he is fast and in control, but these are the big boys of F1 and not Karting.

On the other hand, it does makes some sensation on track, like Massa-Hamilton in '10 and kimi-Bottas last year.

[siskue2005]

The only problem is that the regulations allow blocking so it his right to do it. Wether it is smart to do so: Ithink at some point someone is going to run into the back of him.

Regulation doesnot allow BLOCKING!
It allows defending your position
There is a difference between blocking someone and defending your position
See the video below

[turbof1]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfmjFg8WRzo

Can someone translate this?

Fast translation:

On first corner:
- Didn't understand what the ferraris where doing there. They just turned into me.
- I Had good grip, no wheel locking, could have made the corner OK.
- result was wing damage, severe floor damage. High tire deg and diffult in slow corners.

on ferrari radio messages:
- That is good, they should curse at me.
- They messed up my race I'm not just going to let them pass.
- I rather drive them of the track.
- But no pentalty, I was within the regulations.

Personally. I don't mind a bit of controversy around the track. That was partly which made f1 so much fun in the Senna Prost years. Actually this reminds me of some of the Senna interviews.

But it should not result in unsafe situations on track.

For me the blocking move of VES on RAI was over that limit. The only problem is that the regulations allow blocking so it his right to do it. Wether it is smart to do so: Ithink at some point someone is going to run into the back of him.

He also said literally "they destroyed my race at turn 1, so I'm not going to let them just pass me afterwards [later in the race when Vettel and Raikkonen tried to pass him]. I'd rather drive them off the track."

I do think he was 100% a victim at the first corner incident, with Vettel being quite oblivious. Verstappen had that right to be there; it was no dive bombing action, but a hole that was open.

However, he was afterwards way too dangerous, and given his comments he was dangerous on purpose, kind of seeking revenge for that incident. Especially against Raikkonen, who did an amazing job to avoid collision at 300+ km/h. But the most worrying part about this, is that he drove intentially that agressive because he got hit. The saying of an eye for an eye runs high risks for horrible crashes in F1.

[Jolle]

The only problem is that the regulations allow blocking so it his right to do it. Wether it is smart to do so: Ithink at some point someone is going to run into the back of him.

Regulation doesnot allow BLOCKING!
It allows defending your position
There is a difference between blocking someone and defending your position
See the video below
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnnR6ubhrHg

A very nice video!
Judging from VES (and ROS in recent times) that they forget the spirit of the rules of racing and focus more if they will or will not get a penalty. Which is also correct, the ultimate goal is winning of course, even if you need to be a bit naughty, but it's not a clean victory.

[Edax]

The only problem is that the regulations allow blocking so it his right to do it. Wether it is smart to do so: Ithink at some point someone is going to run into the back of him.

Regulation doesnot allow BLOCKING!
It allows defending your position
There is a difference between blocking someone and defending your position
See the video below
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnnR6ubhrHg

That's an indycar video ( in case you didn't notice )

Indycar and previously champcar had specific rules to prevent blocking. F1 has not. It does not specify when you can make the defensive move.

I am not a big fan of rules, but I think F1 would be smart to copy these rules.

[siskue2005]

The only problem is that the regulations allow blocking so it his right to do it. Wether it is smart to do so: Ithink at some point someone is going to run into the back of him.

Regulation doesnot allow BLOCKING!
It allows defending your position
There is a difference between blocking someone and defending your position
See the video below
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnnR6ubhrHg

That's an indycar video ( in case you didn't notice )

Indycar and previously champcar had specific rules to prevent blocking. F1 has not. It does not specify when you can make the defensive move.

I am not a big fan of rules, but I think F1 would be smart to copy these rules.

yea i noticed, and there is regulation on Blocking in f1 aswell
https://www.formula1.com/en/championshi ... lties.html

Offences include jumping the start of the race, causing an avoidable accident, unfairly blocking another driver, impeding another driver while being lapped, and speeding in the pit lane.

the specific term blocking is what i was trying to explain through the video above! Nothing to do with Indycar

6 years before Schumacher was penalised for blocking Rubens,....the stewards specified how late he tried to block his place.
and he was given 10 place grid drop.....that was clearly blocking a driver
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/motors ... laces.html
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xed87l ... gary_sport

I think Verstappen is the new Teflappen, as he is the hot new product in F1 and the FIA are reluctant to penalise him

[bhall II]

However, he was afterwards way too dangerous, and given his comments he was dangerous on purpose...

There was a time in the sport's history when other drivers would take a guy like Verstappen behind the paddock and beat the --- out of him for pulling stunts like that.

Sometimes a corporal attitude adjustment is the best medicine.

[turbof1]

However, he was afterwards way too dangerous, and given his comments he was dangerous on purpose...

There was a time in the sport's history when other drivers would take a guy like Verstappen behind the paddock and beat the --- out of him for pulling stunts like that.

Sometimes a corporal attitude adjustment is the best medicine.

I think Mansell would have loved to show Verstappen why he has black belt in karate .