Yeah indeed! It seems have improved on that part. Kudo's to Merc.
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Hamilton emerged on pole position after an intense final battle for the top spot. He marginally pipped Vettel by 0.051. Bottas who throughout qualifying looked to be a contender for the pole, had to settle for third, in front of Raikkonen.
Yeah indeed! It seems have improved on that part. Kudo's to Merc.
Not really! the merc dropped away quite rapidly after seb got ahead at the start. The later pass by Hamilton only happened due to DRS, and because Seb was on slower tyres
Looks like you watched a different race. After first lap, the gap between Vettel and Lewis was 2.2 seconds and it was 2.6 seconds maximum. After 10 laps, Lewis started pulling it back and the gap when Vettel pitted, was 2.1 seconds, which then forced Ferrari to go for a pit stop to avoid an undercut.
I don't agree on that. Hamilton was holding a 2.5s gap to Vettel in the first stint. Suddenly Hamilton started closing in and i think it even got to 1s / 1.3s when we afterwards heard the radio transcript from Mercedes to Ham, where he was told to push.
Race threads are increasingly becoming cry baby threads. I appreciate if the moderators keep an eye and remove the junk posts that have no relevance to the actual race. On those lines, except for being a conspiracy theory and berating a driver's achievement, I don't think your post has anything to add value.Artur Craft wrote: ↑14 May 2017, 18:11Wow, can't believe my post was so promptely deleted. I guess there is some moderator in here who is very fond of Hamilton and don't want people saying anything which isn't "he's the best driver ever". My post didn't even have anything negative about him. Just pointing out the second driver treatment of Bottas and confirming Juzh's opinion of Hamilton being lucky(but on a overall context, not only on this race)
Off course different people will have different opinions, but the fact was that the Merc could not get close enough to the Ferrari to get into DRS range. There is absolutely no evidence to show that the Nerc could follow another car closely.GPR-A wrote: ↑14 May 2017, 18:05Looks like you watched a different race. After first lap, the gap between Vettel and Lewis was 2.2 seconds and it was 2.6 seconds maximum. After 10 laps, Lewis started pulling it back and the gap when Vettel pitted, was 2.1 seconds, which then forced Ferrari to go for a pit stop to avoid an undercut.
As a former mod here we just don't see any driver dick measuring. It gets very old very fast and brings the conversation about the race to a stand still.Artur Craft wrote: ↑14 May 2017, 18:11Wow, can't believe my post was so promptely deleted. I guess there is some moderator in here who is very fond of Hamilton and don't want people saying anything which isn't "he's the best driver ever". My post didn't even have anything negative about him. Just pointing out the second driver treatment of Bottas and confirming Juzh's opinion of Hamilton being lucky(but on a overall context, not only on this race)
I'm sorry but he was replying to your comment 'the merc dropped away quite rapidly'. It didn't it went out to the usual gap Hamilton likes to keep against a car on the same tyres. It stayed static at around that deficit. That is gap and tyre temp management and not him dropping away. The Ferrari went in the pits and Hamilton set a new fastest lap the following lap. Which showed he wasn't even attempting to catch up Vettel because that lap showed he had that time in his pocket.aral wrote: ↑14 May 2017, 18:22Off course different people will have different opinions, but the fact was that the Merc could not get close enough to the Ferrari to get into DRS range. There is absolutely no evidence to show that the Nerc could follow another car closely.GPR-A wrote: ↑14 May 2017, 18:05Looks like you watched a different race. After first lap, the gap between Vettel and Lewis was 2.2 seconds and it was 2.6 seconds maximum. After 10 laps, Lewis started pulling it back and the gap when Vettel pitted, was 2.1 seconds, which then forced Ferrari to go for a pit stop to avoid an undercut.
Ferrari seems to be too much focused on what Merc might be doing and lets easily force themselves in sub- optimum strategies. In a 2 stop race you don't have to worry too much about the undercut in the first stop but in the second one.Restomaniac wrote: ↑14 May 2017, 17:25As a team you need to react to the here and now. Hoping gets you nothing. You are looking at it in hindsight which is always 20/20. Ferrari thought Mercedes were going to undercut and reacted, incorrectly as it happens.
Agreed. No doubt Mercedes know this hence the mind games over team radio.henra wrote: ↑14 May 2017, 18:58Ferrari seems to be too much focused on what Merc might be doing and lets easily force themselves in sub- optimum strategies. In a 2 stop race you don't have to worry too much about the undercut in the first stop but in the second one.Restomaniac wrote: ↑14 May 2017, 17:25As a team you need to react to the here and now. Hoping gets you nothing. You are looking at it in hindsight which is always 20/20. Ferrari thought Mercedes were going to undercut and reacted, incorrectly as it happens.
In retrospect... I think I will sell my crystal ball. Lapping was definitively on and even overtaking was on, while very difficult. At least as much on as in the last years.hollus wrote: ↑02 May 2017, 21:32A prediction: For the first time we will see cars choosing to pit because they cannot get close enough to the car they are supposed to lap. In some conditions, people will lose pace to the extent that they will be unable to get within 1 second of the car they are trying to lap, and thus they'll get no blue flags.
And I think this (having to choose pitting to get out of lapped traffic) will happen more than once.
IMHO
