2018 Mexico Grand Prix - Autódromo Hermanos Rodríguez, 26-28 October

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Big Tea wrote:
Mon Oct 29, 2018 8:25 pm
NathanOlder wrote:
Mon Oct 29, 2018 8:22 pm
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Mon Oct 29, 2018 5:19 pm
Mercedes did the race without the cooling wheel rims again by the way. I had not read that before.

They say it didn't make the difference though. No idea if that's the whole truth or not...

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/merc ... s/3205249/
Ahh good find. Thats interesting, I wonder why ? The surely if they were cleared to use them, they would use them ?
'just in case'. Better to finish 4th than win and have the cars dsq'd later. Possibly a special case as it was the one that closed out the championship.
So they may make a return in Brazil ? Or maybe not as the WCC is still on.
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NathanOlder wrote:
Mon Oct 29, 2018 10:05 pm
Big Tea wrote:
Mon Oct 29, 2018 8:25 pm
NathanOlder wrote:
Mon Oct 29, 2018 8:22 pm


Ahh good find. Thats interesting, I wonder why ? The surely if they were cleared to use them, they would use them ?
'just in case'. Better to finish 4th than win and have the cars dsq'd later. Possibly a special case as it was the one that closed out the championship.
So they may make a return in Brazil ? Or maybe not as the WCC is still on.
I suppose the other thing could be that there is something involved they do not wish to show to other teams if they make a protest. Something hardly worth reveling for 3 races when they can keep it dark and use it next year?

Not likely, but possible?
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NathanOlder wrote:
Mon Oct 29, 2018 10:05 pm
Big Tea wrote:
Mon Oct 29, 2018 8:25 pm
NathanOlder wrote:
Mon Oct 29, 2018 8:22 pm


Ahh good find. Thats interesting, I wonder why ? The surely if they were cleared to use them, they would use them ?
'just in case'. Better to finish 4th than win and have the cars dsq'd later. Possibly a special case as it was the one that closed out the championship.
So they may make a return in Brazil ? Or maybe not as the WCC is still on.
Or not at all to let the other teams thinks it’s rather ‘illegal’, before winding up in Albert Park with them again.

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NathanOlder wrote:
Mon Oct 29, 2018 4:16 pm
Maybe Lewis and Will Smith have had a joke in the past about Will telling Lewis how to drive ?

Was pretty bad though !
I think it was well timed. The sport needs to lighten up, but it looks like the european fans didn't get the memo. Maybe the sense of humour is different in the west. :)

Will Smith has a famous line. He was just repeating it to Hamilton. Just boils down to different sense of humour, but it was a nice little touch at the end to me, and i'm sure to a lot of American fans who watch car movies.



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Big Tea wrote:
Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:19 pm
NathanOlder wrote:
Mon Oct 29, 2018 10:05 pm
Big Tea wrote:
Mon Oct 29, 2018 8:25 pm


'just in case'. Better to finish 4th than win and have the cars dsq'd later. Possibly a special case as it was the one that closed out the championship.
So they may make a return in Brazil ? Or maybe not as the WCC is still on.
I suppose the other thing could be that there is something involved they do not wish to show to other teams if they make a protest. Something hardly worth reveling for 3 races when they can keep it dark and use it next year?

Not likely, but possible?

I think it's relatively simple, the rear tires were graining due to sliding, the real question is, were the tires heating up enough to grip into the track rather than sliding and causing horrible graining. My guess is Merc actually wanted to up their rear wheel carcass temps to alleviate the horrendous graining they got in free practice runs and that maybe led to them being even worse rather than better.

Really the tires just didn't work for anyone but cars with excellent mechanical grip and even then... not well.

I've said it elsewhere, this wasn't a case of good tire deg causing more stops, this was a case of the tires simply not working. We want deg where someone can push harder, be faster then do more stops or go slower, do less stops, we want the strategy choice. When for all but a few cars the tires are so bad everyone has to pit multiple times and they still have to go insanely slow and the tires still look absolutely awful that's not good tire deg. That's RBR/Ferrari had just enough mechanical grip advantage to make the tires work less badly than the rest. THe tires were utterly unsuitable for the task of racing in Mexico and the track surfaces lack of abrasiveness and bite into the tires allowing even completely fresh and warm tires to slide across the track and grain immediately, combination from hell. Pirelli and the FIA should have been getting flack all weekend for allowing this situation to happen and instead so many fans said woo, tire deg again, completely misunderstanding what happened.

In the US Hulk was running a second off the pace of Kimi and Max at the front consistently throughout the whole race, in Mexico Hulk was running fully 3 seconds off Max's pace.... the race was a complete and utter failure where 80% of the cars couldn't make the tires work.

Like I said, this race should be close to the scandal of Indianapolis in 2005. Okay the tires weren't exploding and it wasn't dangerous, but the 'race' part of the weekend was a race between 4 cars, with the rest trying to finish on tires that weren't suitable for use. Somehow the commentators ignored that the tires weren't working all weekend and the fans too.

It doesn't help that the track design itself is absolutely horrible. We have some stands, lets put the track through it and oh, lets maximise the time in there so put 3 insanely slow awful corners in there with zero passing and ruining the entry to the straight. Honestly I find not a single positive thing about the track itself except the fans are great and enthusiastic, but they'd be that if they'd made a 'real' track without it going through the middle of the stadium and put in some real damn corners and a surface that works with the tires and cars well.

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ringo wrote:
Tue Oct 30, 2018 3:24 am
NathanOlder wrote:
Mon Oct 29, 2018 4:16 pm
Maybe Lewis and Will Smith have had a joke in the past about Will telling Lewis how to drive ?

Was pretty bad though !
I think it was well timed. The sport needs to lighten up, but it looks like the european fans didn't get the memo. Maybe the sense of humour is different in the west. :)

Will Smith has a famous line. He was just repeating it to Hamilton. Just boils down to different sense of humour, but it was a nice little touch at the end to me, and i'm sure to a lot of American fans who watch car movies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAUbdHw8QG4

Maybe next year we get a transporter or fast and furious, or Steve McQueen line. :lol:

He DIDN'T repeat it to Hamilton. First off it was prerecorded, second it wasn't played to Hamilton at all, it was played over the broadcast to the fans to act like a big star was talking to Hamilton. The reason for no response nor question about what that was, Hamilton didn't hear it.

It's not lightening up, not only was it cringeworthy and embarrassing, it was literally faked AND took the place of real emotional and human responses. Instead of hearing Toto, or Bono, or Hamilton himself... we heard a FAKE messages from Will Smith, not even a famous dude who the fans know because he's on the grid at loads of races.

So instead of getting a really emotional moment between Ham and his team, we got a fake message. If you think that is good, wow, that message was a giant embarrassing stain on the weekend.

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ringo wrote:
Tue Oct 30, 2018 3:24 am
NathanOlder wrote:
Mon Oct 29, 2018 4:16 pm
Maybe Lewis and Will Smith have had a joke in the past about Will telling Lewis how to drive ?

Was pretty bad though !
I think it was well timed. The sport needs to lighten up, but it looks like the european fans didn't get the memo. Maybe the sense of humour is different in the west. :)

Will Smith has a famous line. He was just repeating it to Hamilton. Just boils down to different sense of humour, but it was a nice little touch at the end to me, and i'm sure to a lot of American fans who watch car movies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAUbdHw8QG4

Maybe next year we get a transporter or fast and furious, or Steve McQueen line. :lol:
Yeah I found it funny too. I guess it depends whether you know or like Will Smith. I happen to think the guy is really funny.

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ringo wrote:
Tue Oct 30, 2018 3:24 am
NathanOlder wrote:
Mon Oct 29, 2018 4:16 pm
Maybe Lewis and Will Smith have had a joke in the past about Will telling Lewis how to drive ?

Was pretty bad though !
I think it was well timed. The sport needs to lighten up, but it looks like the european fans didn't get the memo. Maybe the sense of humour is different in the west. :)

Will Smith has a famous line. He was just repeating it to Hamilton. Just boils down to different sense of humour, but it was a nice little touch at the end to me, and i'm sure to a lot of American fans who watch car movies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAUbdHw8QG4

Maybe next year we get a transporter or fast and furious, or Steve McQueen line. :lol:
Yeah I know where its from, I meant maybe Lewis and Will have a little joke between them about that line in the past, thats what would make it funny to Lewis and Will. But the the rest of the world it was awful. The sense of humour is certainly 'different' in the west and if F1 goes that way, the sport will lose a huge European fan base.
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Hammerfist wrote:
Tue Oct 30, 2018 7:06 am
ringo wrote:
Tue Oct 30, 2018 3:24 am
NathanOlder wrote:
Mon Oct 29, 2018 4:16 pm
Maybe Lewis and Will Smith have had a joke in the past about Will telling Lewis how to drive ?

Was pretty bad though !
I think it was well timed. The sport needs to lighten up, but it looks like the european fans didn't get the memo. Maybe the sense of humour is different in the west. :)

Will Smith has a famous line. He was just repeating it to Hamilton. Just boils down to different sense of humour, but it was a nice little touch at the end to me, and i'm sure to a lot of American fans who watch car movies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAUbdHw8QG4

Maybe next year we get a transporter or fast and furious, or Steve McQueen line. :lol:
Yeah I found it funny too. I guess it depends whether you know or like Will Smith. I happen to think the guy is really funny.
I love Will Smith , but it was terrible. Also if it was the pre recorded message like mentioned previously then its even worse. As drunkf1fan said if we heard that pre recorded crap instead of Toto and Bono on the team Radio to Lewis, we were robbed of a special moment. If Will smith was actually there on the team radio, it probably would have been fine, like Prince Harry did with Lewis a few years back, not this crap we heard on sunday. If thats what American fans want then I really fear for F1.
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I love Will Smith , but it was terrible. Also if it was the pre recorded message like mentioned previously then its even worse. As drunkf1fan said if we heard that pre recorded crap instead of Toto and Bono on the team Radio to Lewis, we were robbed of a special moment. If Will smith was actually there on the team radio, it probably would have been fine, like Prince Harry did with Lewis a few years back, not this crap we heard on sunday. If thats what American fans want then I really fear for F1.
Pretty much. The whole drive to make everything into WWE, scripted and film-like is ridiculous; nothing replaces genuine emotions and events playing themselves out. If they wanted to have Will Smith on the radio - nothing wrong with that, but at least do it live.
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Perhaps it was supposed to be played in Austin, to the American audience?

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It's possible it was an in-joke between SKY, Mercedes and FOM. You go watch pre race interviews and Natalie Pinkham has referred to Lewis as the 'bad boy of Formula 1' on multiple occasions.

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NathanOlder wrote:
Tue Oct 30, 2018 8:38 am
Hammerfist wrote:
Tue Oct 30, 2018 7:06 am
ringo wrote:
Tue Oct 30, 2018 3:24 am


I think it was well timed. The sport needs to lighten up, but it looks like the european fans didn't get the memo. Maybe the sense of humour is different in the west. :)

Will Smith has a famous line. He was just repeating it to Hamilton. Just boils down to different sense of humour, but it was a nice little touch at the end to me, and i'm sure to a lot of American fans who watch car movies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAUbdHw8QG4

Maybe next year we get a transporter or fast and furious, or Steve McQueen line. :lol:
Yeah I found it funny too. I guess it depends whether you know or like Will Smith. I happen to think the guy is really funny.
I love Will Smith , but it was terrible. Also if it was the pre recorded message like mentioned previously then its even worse. As drunkf1fan said if we heard that pre recorded crap instead of Toto and Bono on the team Radio to Lewis, we were robbed of a special moment. If Will smith was actually there on the team radio, it probably would have been fine, like Prince Harry did with Lewis a few years back, not this crap we heard on sunday. If thats what American fans want then I really fear for F1.
Perhaps this was pre-recorded for a reason. I think it was probably meant for COTA, but the Championship didn't get decided that very Sunday. Will Smith probably was ready to go on the radio and say this. He was probably not free during the weekend of the Mexican GP, so they pre-recorded it. It probably makes sense to me.

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Would have worked if they played it after a race like monza or qualifying like singapore, but to doit after Lewis had a crappy race , the whole "thats how you supposed to drive" was insane. Lewis had almost his worse race of the season!
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Yeah, but Will Smith clearly thinks that's how he is supposed to drive :-D.
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