adding refueling will allow for different strategies and pushing through out the race....people can light fuel and go faster....like Hungary 1998 and France 2004....both possible only due to refuelling (otherwise Schumacher would have tried to undercut the others and failed to do so in the one and only pitstop)NathanOlder wrote: ↑24 Nov 2018, 19:58Its far from Boring now, so why bring it back ?!
And I know they are fuel limited now, I'm just saying that adding refuelling wont add anything to the show other than more chance of pit stops going wrong with a sticky fuel nozzle.
The poor aero rules and poor competitions (frankly there was no one to match Schumacher and ferrari...or he was so OP that no one could match him) were the real culprit back then...... with today's aero and DRS it would have been great racingPeople seem to think F1 of 15yrs ago was way better than it is now, when the only thing that was certainly better was the sound/volume.
Umm no it wasn't.
The difference is some cars will be lighter than others if they refuel twice instead of once. All other things being equal this will make more pit stops better. People were asking for mandatory 2 pit stops and other silly stuff. I propose instead making 2 pit stops organically better than 1. Win winNathanOlder wrote: ↑24 Nov 2018, 22:13@Siskue
I dont think it will allow for pushing throughout the race though. All the cars will still be running with just enough fuel and fuel saving, just like today.
As i understand it, most cars if not all, start the races now without the maximum amount of fuel allowed. So they choose to run lighter and fuel save. So refuelling would probably have the same.
, agree with Jolle , it was like 'why try a risky overtake when we can just short fuel at the next stop'
That was due to poor aero and lack of mechanical grip ....which has been solved now with cleaner aero, slick tyres and DRS etc...... i dont remember anyone not overtaking other car ONLY because of refueling, it was 99% due to poor aero.....it is like saying that the 9/11 attacks happened during the refueling era, so no, they can keep re-fueling in the history books for me
WtaF ?siskue2005 wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 20:42That was due to poor aero and lack of mechanical grip ....which has been solved now with cleaner aero, slick tyres and DRS etc...... i dont remember anyone not overtaking other car ONLY because of refueling, it was 99% due to poor aero.....it is like saying that the 9/11 attacks happened during the refueling era, so no, they can keep re-fueling in the history books for me
Then again, there were constantly situations on track, where some cars had less fuel then the car in front and it was crucial to overtake asap for a strategy to work. With refueling there is a chance of let's say Grosjean fighting for a position with Hamilton or virtually any combination of drivers, while without it, there is no such chance.NathanOlder wrote: ↑03 Dec 2018, 15:13WtaF ?siskue2005 wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 20:42That was due to poor aero and lack of mechanical grip ....which has been solved now with cleaner aero, slick tyres and DRS etc...... i dont remember anyone not overtaking other car ONLY because of refueling, it was 99% due to poor aero.....it is like saying that the 9/11 attacks happened during the refueling era, so no, they can keep re-fueling in the history books for me
There were times you know that a driver was probably going to pit in the next few laps, as teams knew how much fuel others had onboard, so if the guy in front next year was a Verstappen or Grosjean or KMag, and you know he will definitely pit in 1-3 laps time, the result is, you probably don't risk it and save your tyres/fuel and not bother attempting to overtake so when they pull in to the pits, you can turn it all up and use the best part of the tyres when in clean air.
So IMO refuelling doesn't promote overtaking at all.
Very much not like this, as it's a genuine fight for a position
the majority of early 2000s refueling era was marred by utter domination by ferrari and schumacher and poor aero, grooved tyres etc, that has skewed or scared (i would rather say) many fans..... but to get a good look at refueling different strategy changes, we need to look at races from mid to late ninties....those were great coz the aero was better and refueling added much needed spice to the race. So the current race cars are almost same level as late 90s cars in overtaking and following department (especially with 2019 changes)....so surely this should add more to racing now
why do you think they waited and overtook in the pits?? coz they couldnt follow and stay behind another car.... and without the DRS there was no chance to even come near another car ( as the aero, grooved tyres etc didnt allow them).....so refueling was not the reason of lack of overtaking.NathanOlder wrote: ↑03 Dec 2018, 15:13WtaF ?siskue2005 wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 20:42That was due to poor aero and lack of mechanical grip ....which has been solved now with cleaner aero, slick tyres and DRS etc...... i dont remember anyone not overtaking other car ONLY because of refueling, it was 99% due to poor aero.....it is like saying that the 9/11 attacks happened during the refueling era, so no, they can keep re-fueling in the history books for me
There were times you know that a driver was probably going to pit in the next few laps, as teams knew how much fuel others had onboard, so if the guy in front next year was a Verstappen or Grosjean or KMag, and you know he will definitely pit in 1-3 laps time, the result is, you probably don't risk it and save your tyres/fuel and not bother attempting to overtake so when they pull in to the pits, you can turn it all up and use the best part of the tyres when in clean air.
So IMO refuelling doesn't promote overtaking at all.