I can't see how that can be done, would have to make every run off area banked as well to make it safe.Just_a_fan wrote: ↑07 Dec 2018, 20:10It's not about having gimmicks as you suggest. It's about being able to take different lines without time penalty. F1 cars can't follow closely in high speed corners because of the very nature of F1 cars today. So you either change the cars - make them much lower in downforce for example - or you make the tracks allow for closer racing. DRS exists because the cars can't follow closely enough to get in to the tow naturally. It's a sticking plaster.
Make the corners that matter slightly banked and you can either run around on the banking, or take the "normal" line. If both give the same lap time there is no artificial benefit like with DRS. What there is, is a chance for drivers to use their skill to use the track to their advantage.
Not disagreeing with you, but if the track is banked, then surely it is giving the same advantage to both cars?Just_a_fan wrote: ↑07 Dec 2018, 22:50Depends how much banking is required to make it work. If it's only 5 degrees, then banking run off would be easy. If it's 30 degrees, then yes, it's probably a no-go. Although Indy et al race on banked tracks without run off areas...
I think they tried some of this at Sepang. A banked corner onto the last straight and adverse camber on the corner before the finish. I seem to remember it had only a small benefit.Just_a_fan wrote: ↑08 Dec 2018, 02:55The idea is to have two lines that allow both cars to maximize lap time. Go wide on a current track, you lose time. You go wide because you can't follow close on line. It's just an idea. It's something different to the same old stuff we've had before.
ok i agreeJust_a_fan wrote: ↑07 Dec 2018, 16:55There is basically one way, strategically, to win a race. Strategies will come together and everyone will do the same thing. It's what always happens.
Refuelling isn't a panacea, it's just an added, and unnecessary, risk to the pit crews.
You want "better" racing? Figure out a way to allow multiple lines around circuits. Adding banking to key corners, for example, allows differing lines in to, through and out of the corner.
Best post here.siskue2005 wrote: ↑06 Dec 2018, 21:01https://www.racefans.net/2018/03/02/ham ... vertaking/Just_a_fan wrote: ↑06 Dec 2018, 20:27That seems to be a non sequitur. Just because they're slightly shorter, doesn't mean they can overtake more.siskue2005 wrote: ↑06 Dec 2018, 18:41cars will get shorter and indirectly also would make it easy to overtake
just quoting the 5 times WDC on overtaking better with lighter carsok but can u point the finger for dull races on the refuelling alone?The refuelling era was as dull a period as any today.
no u cant, coz the refuelling era didnot start from 2001, it started 1994....we had great races up until 2000 and from 2001 onwards it went downhill. this happened due to raising the front wing height and lowering of rear wing...which meant over reliance on aero grip rather than mechanical grip PLUS the domination of Ferrari and Schumacher made it a snooze fest (this has nothing to do with the refuelling)
There was nothing to prove that refuelling was the culprit for the snooze fest, just an innocent bystander....image those years without the refueling ....Schumacher would have been stuck behind Alonso in Magny cours 2004 after a failed undercut attempt at lap 5, and saving tyres and fuel for the rest of the GP behind the world champion
No. People here, at least some, have long memories.