Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

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Re: Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

Post by zibby43 » Fri Apr 12, 2019 9:15 am

desl wrote:
Fri Apr 12, 2019 9:11 am
MtthsMlw wrote:
Fri Apr 12, 2019 8:31 am
Just_a_fan wrote:
Fri Apr 12, 2019 8:26 am
Why is the front wing banned?
Because when looking from the side you can see the FW flaps and you should only be able to see the end plate.
What about the Williams front wing?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dz2kgdYWwAAoWBr.jpg:large
Yep, they've been forced to modify their end plates as well.

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Re: Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

Post by paddyf1 » Fri Apr 12, 2019 9:26 am

zibby43 wrote:
Fri Apr 12, 2019 9:15 am
desl wrote:
Fri Apr 12, 2019 9:11 am
MtthsMlw wrote:
Fri Apr 12, 2019 8:31 am


Because when looking from the side you can see the FW flaps and you should only be able to see the end plate.
What about the Williams front wing?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dz2kgdYWwAAoWBr.jpg:large
Yep, they've been forced to modify their end plates as well.
Red bull too has changed their front wing, theirs was the same as merc and williams.

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Re: Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

Post by djones » Fri Apr 12, 2019 9:52 am

All the millions on development and so many people working on car design and they miss something so simple that means the new wing is not even legal? Very poor from Merc there #-o

On a brighter note, at least they seem up there with Ferrari this race in practice so far.

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Re: Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

Post by FrukostScones » Fri Apr 12, 2019 10:07 am

djones wrote:
Fri Apr 12, 2019 9:52 am
All the millions on development and so many people working on car design and they miss something so simple that means the new wing is not even legal? Very poor from Merc there #-o

On a brighter note, at least they seem up there with Ferrari this race in practice so far.
with that FW... 8)
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Re: Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

Post by e30ernest » Fri Apr 12, 2019 10:09 am

djones wrote:
Fri Apr 12, 2019 9:52 am
All the millions on development and so many people working on car design and they miss something so simple that means the new wing is not even legal? Very poor from Merc there #-o

On a brighter note, at least they seem up there with Ferrari this race in practice so far.
I don't think they missed this. They were likely trying to see how far they can get away with that concept. They probably have a back-up plan if the wing was flagged as illegal.

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Re: Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

Post by subcritical71 » Fri Apr 12, 2019 10:43 am

e30ernest wrote:
Fri Apr 12, 2019 10:09 am
djones wrote:
Fri Apr 12, 2019 9:52 am
All the millions on development and so many people working on car design and they miss something so simple that means the new wing is not even legal? Very poor from Merc there #-o

On a brighter note, at least they seem up there with Ferrari this race in practice so far.
I don't think they missed this. They were likely trying to see how far they can get away with that concept. They probably have a back-up plan if the wing was flagged as illegal.
Interesting that they might try this as the rules this year specify self scrutineering. How are penalties handled if a random check spots this after the team has declared the car legal? Doesn’t seem like much too me. Which may lead to some shady self scrutineering in the future (not just for the Merc, but F1 as a whole)
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Re: Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

Post by wesley123 » Fri Apr 12, 2019 10:44 am

djones wrote:
Fri Apr 12, 2019 9:52 am
All the millions on development and so many people working on car design and they miss something so simple that means the new wing is not even legal? Very poor from Merc there #-o

On a brighter note, at least they seem up there with Ferrari this race in practice so far.
How is that very poor from Merc? Both Red Bull and Williams have ran such end plates in Australia and Bahrain.
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Re: Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

Post by SiLo » Fri Apr 12, 2019 10:47 am

Do the endplates have to be vertical? Could they angle them outwards to create similar outwash but with a shorter chord length?
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Re: Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

Post by astracrazy » Fri Apr 12, 2019 11:58 am

SiLo wrote:
Fri Apr 12, 2019 10:47 am
Do the endplates have to be vertical? Could they angle them outwards to create similar outwash but with a shorter chord length?
Yes they do

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Re: Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

Post by atanatizante » Fri Apr 12, 2019 12:24 pm

I wonder if they are allowed to have a serrations/splitters on top endplate (both vertically and horizontally) on the cut-out part of it in order to create little vortexes (or maybe a stronger one) hence bigger outwash effect ...
Those serrations could be something like RB`s has on the middle flap FW ...
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Re: Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

Post by F1NAC » Fri Apr 12, 2019 12:26 pm

Just watching FP2 highlights and it seems that they were running with this new FW. When was it declared illegal and why didn't they ran older spec? If that's not the case then ignore the post :D

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Re: Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

Post by Phil » Fri Apr 12, 2019 12:48 pm

djones wrote:
Fri Apr 12, 2019 9:52 am
All the millions on development and so many people working on car design and they miss something so simple that means the new wing is not even legal? Very poor from Merc there #-o
It’s only been deemed illegal since a week when the FIA issued a new technical directive/clarification (possibly in regards to Williams and RedBull using it before).
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Re: Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

Post by dans79 » Fri Apr 12, 2019 1:45 pm

From what I have read, the changes have nothing to do with flaps, and everything to do with the shape of the leading edge. I'd add I don't see anything in the technical FIA documents for the weekend requiring a change, thus I think some of the press are jumping to conclusions.

https://www.racefans.net/2019/04/12/why ... g-designs/

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Re: Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

Post by subcritical71 » Fri Apr 12, 2019 2:33 pm

dans79 wrote:
Fri Apr 12, 2019 1:45 pm
From what I have read, the changes have nothing to do with flaps, and everything to do with the shape of the leading edge. I'd add I don't see anything in the technical FIA documents for the weekend requiring a change, thus I think some of the press are jumping to conclusions.

https://www.racefans.net/2019/04/12/why ... g-designs/
It's hard to see how that rule was 'missed'. But that should be an easy fix and not have much of an impact, if any, on their weekend.

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Re: Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

Post by Sevach » Fri Apr 12, 2019 2:34 pm

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Seems to me a combination of the new mainplane/flaps with a modified endplate is what Mercedes is running.