2019 Italian Grand Prix - Monza, Sep 06 - 08

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Re: 2019 Italian Grand Prix - Monza, Sep 06 - 08

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izzy wrote:
siskue2005 wrote:
08 Sep 2019, 19:52
this is just BS
the "new Regime"!!!
https://streamable.com/i099w

so as long as no contact, a driver can do what ever the s11t they want :roll:
it's cool that Michael Masi came on TV to explain the decisions. But this 'let them race' concept is a complete macho stupidity. It's just moving the boundaries, and racing drivers will simply move their boundaries to match obviously and cross over them with exactly the same frequency, but with the more aggressive/unfair/dangerous drivers having a bit of an advantage, and everybody driving more dangerously. I blame Brundle quite a bit for it, tubby tough guy lol. Any fool can watch his mirrors and block, shove a car off etc etc, it's not a skill or impressive.

And more proof that teams are only good at one thing and it's not running the sport.
from his speech I got to understand that was some Kind of drivers involvement on the decision of this new attitude or "regime" as Siskue called it

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Re: 2019 Italian Grand Prix - Monza, Sep 06 - 08

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Phil wrote:
08 Sep 2019, 18:02
I have to say, one of the things that impressed me most about Hamilton this weekend is his immaculate car control. First in qualifying when he avoided a crash with Hulkenberg and this race, when he was pushed onto the grass. I’m amazed they/he didnt crash.
Also how he threaded his way between a renault right before turn 1 to set up the attack on leclerc. I beleive this was before leclerc moved to block lewis in the curve. Would have been overtake of the season if leclerd did not block him.
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Re: 2019 Italian Grand Prix - Monza, Sep 06 - 08

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F2 feature race - Zhou vs Latifi (almost identical to turn 4 incident)
https://youtu.be/eUP2Ml052Cw

Zhou penalised - three-place grid drop

F2 sprint race - De Vries vs S.Camara (identical to turn 1 incident)
https://streamable.com/oa8vr
S.Camara penalised - 5 second penalty

How can Leclerc get away with both of them?!

funny part is it was the stewards :roll:

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It seems Anthoine means nothing to the stewards. We lost a young driver from a freak accident but now in a situation where the rules can be set to preempt disaster such as potentially the Lewis and leclerc incident, they're just gonna let it slide. It's like they want another horror to take place. Let them race? It should be what it is, "Let them crash".
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Re: 2019 Italian Grand Prix - Monza, Sep 06 - 08

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siskue2005 wrote:
08 Sep 2019, 20:41
F2 sprint race - De Vries vs S.Camara (identical to turn 1 incident)
https://streamable.com/oa8vr
S.Camara penalised - 5 second penalty
Does that car have traction control of some form? Look at the intermittent tyre marks from the rear tyres as he accelerated from the chicane.
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siskue2005 wrote:
08 Sep 2019, 20:41
F2 feature race - Zhou vs Latifi (almost identical to turn 4 incident)
https://youtu.be/eUP2Ml052Cw

Zhou penalised - three-place grid drop

F2 sprint race - De Vries vs S.Camara (identical to turn 1 incident)
https://streamable.com/oa8vr
S.Camara penalised - 5 second penalty

How can Leclerc get away with both of them?!

funny part is it was the stewards :roll:
It's rather incredible that there are two 99% identical incidents happened in the exact same weekend.

This race weekend and the whole season can pretty much be summed up with this; "let's see how far we can push it without getting penalized"
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Re: 2019 Italian Grand Prix - Monza, Sep 06 - 08

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siskue2005 wrote:
08 Sep 2019, 20:41
F2 feature race - Zhou vs Latifi (almost identical to turn 4 incident)
https://youtu.be/eUP2Ml052Cw

Zhou penalised - three-place grid drop

F2 sprint race - De Vries vs S.Camara (identical to turn 1 incident)
https://streamable.com/oa8vr
S.Camara penalised - 5 second penalty

How can Leclerc get away with both of them?!

funny part is it was the stewards :roll:
That is a good find.

Does anyone know if the different categories are having different stewards?
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turbof1 wrote:
08 Sep 2019, 21:27
siskue2005 wrote:
08 Sep 2019, 20:41
F2 feature race - Zhou vs Latifi (almost identical to turn 4 incident)
https://youtu.be/eUP2Ml052Cw

Zhou penalised - three-place grid drop

F2 sprint race - De Vries vs S.Camara (identical to turn 1 incident)
https://streamable.com/oa8vr
S.Camara penalised - 5 second penalty

How can Leclerc get away with both of them?!

funny part is it was the stewards :roll:
That is a good find.

Does anyone know if the different categories are having different stewards?
The entire event has the same stewards

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Re: 2019 Italian Grand Prix - Monza, Sep 06 - 08

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Carnival of top teams/FIA incompetence:
- Leclerc on Ham was a blatant foul. Chop in the braking zone and nothing. Now you know why they needed some BS flags :roll: . To avoid team fines.
- At this stage they might as well throw all the rules out of the window. Same as Verstappen: he's not good enough to pull off something not even special but solid.
- Speaking of: another car didn't disappear, what a talent.
- Vettel - told you five years ago, ancient Raikkonen concealed all the failures. Yet according to F1 pro media: perfect pair for Ferrari.

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Re: 2019 Italian Grand Prix - Monza, Sep 06 - 08

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Great race. Leclerc a well earned victory, some hard and possibly questionable racing, but a well desereved win. Hamilton pushing lap after lap after lap, very few mistakes until his tyres were finished, incredible driving. Bottas, quick on fresher tyres, but never really got on terms with Leclerc, and just made mistakes when he got in to DRS range. Vettel, what can we say? I wouldn't be surprised if he announced his retirement at the end of the year.

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https://streamable.com/ipqqb
here is the second and third infringement by leclerc... one cutting the corner, second moving more than once to block lewis at curve grande and almost casuing a huge accident

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Leclerc pushing someone off the track getting a black and white flag , then weaving and not getting a penalty absolute nonsense.
Vettel needs a black flag schumacher got a ban for less then this.

Red team clearly got away with alot of things here its stupid

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siskue2005 wrote:
08 Sep 2019, 21:36
https://streamable.com/ipqqb
here is the second and third infringement by leclerc... one cutting the corner, second moving more than once to block lewis at curve grande and almost casuing a huge accident
The second move across to claim the line in to the second chicane is a slam-dunk penalty. He'd moved once to defend the inside line - that's ok - but then moved back across - still ok, allowed to do that - but then took the entire track so no "one car's width" being left. That's a straight rule breach right there.
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Re: 2019 Italian Grand Prix - Monza, Sep 06 - 08

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Wasnt the conclusion after Canada that we (the sport) wanted harder racing with less steward intervention? That’s exactly what we got today.
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Just_a_fan wrote:
08 Sep 2019, 21:58
siskue2005 wrote:
08 Sep 2019, 21:36
https://streamable.com/ipqqb
here is the second and third infringement by leclerc... one cutting the corner, second moving more than once to block lewis at curve grande and almost casuing a huge accident
The second move across to claim the line in to the second chicane is a slam-dunk penalty. He'd moved once to defend the inside line - that's ok - but then moved back across - still ok, allowed to do that - but then took the entire track so no "one car's width" being left. That's a straight rule breach right there.
yes absolutely true... if it was any other driver on any other circuit then it is a slam dung penalty!