Braking and moves on a straight are and have always been treated differently to those in a corner and specifically in corner exit.
It was Koba who turned in, the analysis showed. It's on YT. But this time i bet Lewis half expected to be put off and was ready for itSiLo wrote: ↑10 Sep 2019, 13:03The last time someone did that and the person on the outside didn't move, there was a crash. Hamilton should know, he did it to Kobayashi back in Spa in 2011 at the end of the Kemmel Straight.
Hamilton got real luck here, he was saved by the curb on the outside offering up some much needed grip. If there was no curb there I think he might have spun into the wall.
Please see the videos below and tell me what a racer would do! and how hard racing they all did, including the defending drivers and how clean everyone were at the same cornerZarathustra wrote: ↑10 Sep 2019, 16:56Hamilton just tried a ‘ballsy’ move on the outside- which was never going to work.. he should have known better as well- after all he’s a 5time WDC.
So how did it work 1 year earlier for him?Zarathustra wrote: ↑10 Sep 2019, 16:56Hamilton just tried a ‘ballsy’ move on the outside- which was never going to work.. he should have known better as well- after all he’s a 5time WDC.
Different situations.NathanOlder wrote: ↑10 Sep 2019, 17:36So how did it work 1 year earlier for him?Zarathustra wrote: ↑10 Sep 2019, 16:56Hamilton just tried a ‘ballsy’ move on the outside- which was never going to work.. he should have known better as well- after all he’s a 5time WDC.
Or how did it work for Hulk on lap 1 against Vettel?
Never going to work
Um no, they where about as close to identical as you are going to get in the real world.
To the extent that Charles appears to have the qualities of a world champion, I agree. He's aggressive, appears to learn from his mistakes, speaks Italian (ever so important for the Scud), a looker (more than Seb, Schumi or resting bitch Alonso), he's got pace, and so on. I agree, he could carry them to a WDC. I'm just unsure of their ability to actually win a WCC with their current lineup. I wouldn't want to see Bottas at Ferrari frankly, as I doubt he could handle the responsibility/is a tad inconsistent. In fact out of the remaining top three I only see Hamilton or Verstappen actually being able to deal. Neither Williams, Haas, TR, Alfa, RP has a suitable replacement for Vettel. Arguably one of the Renault boys or McLaren boys could bring it, but that will probably have to wait.izzy wrote: ↑10 Sep 2019, 11:12Charles can 'carry' Ferrari i think, in the sense that now they know they have all the pieces of the puzzle and they just need an equal car not a better one. He's only 21 but making only the odd mistake already, he has charisma, speaks great Italian, looking faster and faster, that bit ruthless we see, and is hot af He will really motivate them, just like when Lewis moved down the pitlane to Mercedes the whole media circus moved with him and the team lit up, and Max of course has the same effect at Red Bull. So at last Ferrari can recover from Mattiacci insanely dumping Fernando.dtro wrote: ↑10 Sep 2019, 04:10
My fingers are crossed that you are correct about all of the above! I admit to becoming a bit jaded by Vettel's driving in post V8 era, among a few other things in F1 over the last several years. Hopefully Ferrari can put solidify their hold on second place in the WCC this year, barring a complete implosion of Max and the Mercs a lot of tracks may be tough to compete at the level they've competed in Spa and Monza this year. Plus Charles can't carry Ferrari even if he looks like he can more or less handle the pressure and deliver wins, they need someone else that can deliver consistently and perhaps less dramatically like you said 80 points thrown away each year.
Tho yes the second driver is a question, they ought to snap up Valtteri for 2021 while the going's good, this race showed he's No1 wingman as well didn't it.
Totally agree here.siskue2005 wrote: ↑10 Sep 2019, 12:51People want hard racing? yes!
This is hard racing into the same corner!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1vKQij7g4s
and This is hard racing into the same corner!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwg5wQ0YghY
and This is hard racing into the same corner!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MtObN6TP6U
and this NOT hard racing, but moving under braking
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8bzG6r9ji0
I have never seen someone move so much under braking into that corner and the funny part is everyone are hailing him as the second coming of f1 god and not even condeming his actions! The new era of f1 drivers are from the sim racing era so we can expect this.
It was a perfectly reasonable move to attempt. Pushing him on to the grass in the braking zone was not reasonable.Zarathustra wrote: ↑10 Sep 2019, 16:56Hamilton just tried a ‘ballsy’ move on the outside- which was never going to work.. he should have known better as well- after all he’s a 5time WDC.
It has nothing to do with being intimidated By Hamilton, or any other driver for that matter. Its about following the rules laid down by the FIA.Zarathustra wrote: ↑10 Sep 2019, 19:00Not everybody on track is intimidated by Hamilton- Hamilton just needs to get used to that, instead of starting from pole and cruise away in to the distance.
You do realise Leclerc was found guilty of breaking the rules, don't you? His punishment was the black and white flag. So he was actually guilty of squeezing Hamilton off the track.Zarathustra wrote: ↑10 Sep 2019, 16:56Hamilton just tried a ‘ballsy’ move on the outside- which was never going to work.. he should have known better as well- after all he’s a 5time WDC.