Mercedes W11

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To try and keep this relevant at least in part to the W11, of course there are things on the car inspired by things the designers have seen on other cars. (RB's modified bull horns) It's the same for all teams. There are things on all the other cars inspired by the Mercedes car as well. It's just how it works. If something a team comes up with improves performance, then other teams will be quick to test it and if it adds performance, implement it. For instance the Ferrari sidepods of a few years ago which almost everyone runs now. The Mercedes cape and slimmer nose which Red Bull runs now. I am sure next year many more teams will have rear wings with only one pylon/support like Mercedes (and anyone else currently?) do.

It's natural for all cars to converge on an optimal solution as best they can. They are all sort of Frankenstein's monsters of the best ideas each team has found within the new regs. I see it more as a group effort between teams to reach perfection with the best balance of ideas rather than anything else.

If DAS was not to be outlawed from next season, you can bet most other teams would be trying to put that on their cars too.
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New RW for this weekend, as expected.

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Mchamilton wrote:
Thu Sep 03, 2020 11:00 am
As clear as mud.
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hollus wrote:
Thu Sep 03, 2020 8:16 am
The discussion of where those horns originated, who refined the design, who copied it, etc has been continued in the team thread by at least one user:
viewtopic.php?p=923333#p923333
I post the link here so people can find it.

To me is borderline whether that discussion belongs in the car thread or in the team thread (but that post definitively belonged in the team thread, so thanks for placing it there in the first place), so feel free to continue here or there. In any case, now it is easier to find the fork.
This happens in the RedBull and Honda threads all the time with Mercedes fans taking over those threads with Mercedes content. My post was simply to highlight the personnel responsible for the car development are largely still there according to Stoffel and to refute what someone else said that was clearly not factual. End of topic from me.

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That rear wing is dang near flat, maybe the lowest df package I’ve ever seen from them...

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holeindalip wrote:
Fri Sep 04, 2020 5:08 am
That rear wing is dang near flat, maybe the lowest df package I’ve ever seen from them...
I'm anxious to see the FW and whether they've trimmed some surface area off the flaps for this weekend, too.

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I love it when we manage to get this rear 3/4 view of the bargeboards in these lightning conditions:

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via AMuS

And one RW direct comparison:

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via lukalukaluka

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zibby43 wrote:
Fri Sep 04, 2020 8:20 pm
https://imgr1.auto-motor-und-sport.de/V ... 720478.jpg

https://imgr1.auto-motor-und-sport.de/L ... 720763.jpg

I love it when we manage to get this rear 3/4 view of the bargeboards in these lightning conditions:

https://imgr1.auto-motor-und-sport.de/L ... 720767.jpg

via AMuS

And one RW direct comparison:

https://i.imgur.com/9WrHM66.jpeg

via lukalukaluka
Definitely shedding df on the front wing, looks like the whole top chord is laying down alot

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holeindalip wrote:
Fri Sep 04, 2020 11:06 pm
zibby43 wrote:
Fri Sep 04, 2020 8:20 pm
https://imgr1.auto-motor-und-sport.de/V ... 720478.jpg

https://imgr1.auto-motor-und-sport.de/L ... 720763.jpg

I love it when we manage to get this rear 3/4 view of the bargeboards in these lightning conditions:

https://imgr1.auto-motor-und-sport.de/L ... 720767.jpg

via AMuS

And one RW direct comparison:

https://i.imgur.com/9WrHM66.jpeg

via lukalukaluka
Definitely shedding df on the front wing, looks like the whole top chord is laying down alot
100% agree. I was about to edit my post to add that comment in, but you already nailed it. Surface area reduction on the uppermost chord to help balance out the low-downforce package up front.

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Juzh wrote:
Wed Jul 29, 2020 1:04 pm
OO7 wrote:
Sat Jul 18, 2020 10:12 pm
During one of the practice sessions and also on Lewis' qualifying lap, I noticed a few of occasions where the car while at the exit phase of a corner (increasing throttle application), would vibrate and sound as if it had run over a typical serrated kerb.

It can be see and heard in the following video at 0:22, 0:35 and 1:00. I would if it has anything to do with tyre pressures?:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rh6vBU-YNK0
Standing waves?
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/pire ... 5/3042659/
Sorry for the late reply Juzh. I think you may be right. Les Combe at Spa is a right-left-right set of corners. The same vibration can be seen on Hamilton's Pole lap through the left part of Les Combe.

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holeindalip wrote:
Fri Sep 04, 2020 11:06 pm
zibby43 wrote:
Fri Sep 04, 2020 8:20 pm
https://imgr1.auto-motor-und-sport.de/V ... 720478.jpg

https://imgr1.auto-motor-und-sport.de/L ... 720763.jpg

I love it when we manage to get this rear 3/4 view of the bargeboards in these lightning conditions:

https://imgr1.auto-motor-und-sport.de/L ... 720767.jpg

via AMuS

And one RW direct comparison:

https://i.imgur.com/9WrHM66.jpeg

via lukalukaluka
Definitely shedding df on the front wing, looks like the whole top chord is laying down alot
Remembering also that the front wing affects the rest of the car. Reducing the front wing doesn't just take off front down force, it reduces down force from the whole car. Powerful, the front wing is.
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I'm not sure if this has already been mentioned, but another of the upgrades brought to the Spa race weekend, was a new fairing for the central support strut of the Halo. In profile view the new fairing is curved, whereas the old version was straight.

Spanish GP:
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Belgian GP:
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Mercedes also trialled a couple of different cooling solutions on the car (none were new AFAIK):
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The top arrangement first seen at Spa, appears on first glance to be less elegant and more bulky than the older style which was almost identical (looking at the rear), but with the ducting placed lower along the flanks of the car. I think the purpose of the new arrangement, rather than purely cooling, may have been designed to allow a greater mass flow of air through the coke bottle region.

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Just_a_fan wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 1:26 am
Remembering also that the front wing affects the rest of the car. Reducing the front wing doesn't just take off front down force, it reduces down force from the whole car. Powerful, the front wing is.
I'd love to see the effects of various FWs analyzed/visualized. Would be fascinating.

OO7 wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 1:36 am
I'm not sure if this has already been mentioned, but another of the upgrades brought to the Spa race weekend, was a new fairing for the central support strut of the Halo. In profile view the new fairing is curved, whereas the old version was straight.

Spanish GP:
https://motorsport.nextgen-auto.com/pho ... g/1052.jpg

Belgian GP:
https://motorsport.nextgen-auto.com/pho ... ug/399.jpg


Mercedes also trialled a couple of different cooling solutions on the car (none were new AFAIK):
https://i.imgur.com/TKKC0lo.png
https://i.imgur.com/kmN6H1B.png
The top arrangement first seen at Spa, appears on first glance to be less elegant and more bulky than the older style which was almost identical (looking at the rear), but with the ducting placed lower along the flanks of the car. I think the purpose of the new arrangement, rather than purely cooling, may have been designed to allow a greater mass flow of air through the coke bottle region.
OO7 with the eagle eye, as usual. =D>

Great spots.