Ferrari 150° Italia

[Lorenzo_Bandini]

Ferrari have this pace since Melbourne.

If they had it since, they wouldn't complain at all.

They complain about one lap pace. About quali pace, not race pace.

[kalinka]

hey complain about one lap pace. About quali pace, not race pace.

"Ferrari have not been able to keep up with Red bull and McLaren, the team’s designer admits, “We hoped to be further forward, more competitive, but it was not the case,” said Tombazis. “The problem is linked mainly to the aerodynamics and can be divided into two parts. The first revolves around a lack of correlation between data from the wind tunnel and that seen at the track: we are reacting to correct this problem.”
“Furthermore, we must admit that, even without this problem, we would not have been in a position to fight for the wins in the first three races."
Edit : Source >
http://www.totalf1.com/full_story/view/ ... _mistakes/

Edit : Alonso after China GP : "Unfortunately, our race pace was too slow and I don't think that a different strategy would have changed anything."

source > http://www.totalf1.com/full_story/view/ ... s_Ferrari/

That was after 3 races...so what are you talkin' about ?

[Lorenzo_Bandini]

It's seems you don't watch the race, and you only read post race interview.

Alonso talk about HIS race at China.

Massa's race was great, he was as fast as Vettel with soft, and slightly slower with harder tyre, you have to watch the race mate.

At Malaysia Alonso was as fast as both Mclaren, he was faster than Hamilton and have already pass Button during the race.

Race pace was always there this year, if you don't agree with that, watch the laptime of each race

And for recall, Alonso can't match Vettel pace during the race, but have enough pace to take podium, like Massa at China and Alonso at Malaysia.

Sorry for off topic, i will stop now.

[kalinka]

“Furthermore, we must admit that, even without this problem, we would not have been in a position to fight for the wins in the first three races."

That quote for me means lack of race pace nothing more.
That was said by Domenicali, not Alonso. If they're talking BS in interviews, that's their problem, we have only that info + race results to decide. It's not my problem if you didn't trust them, but I can't remember any statement where they point out their problem to be only in qualy. They did say that they have to improve qualy pace, and that's the bigger problem, but that doesn't deny their lack of race pace.

I'm not against Ferrari, just want to point out that their problem is not only in qualy.
Beside I missed 3 or 4 races to watch since 1989. 1 or 2 after 2000, none this year
I finished too commenting on that.

[HampusA]

Race pace is there. Alonso matched Vettel in Turkey.
It´s Q speed that´s the problem here. Same with Mclaren.

The problem is letting Vettel get away during the first lap. If you stick to him the races would end in a different manner.

[Italiano Tifoso]

Did anyone notice the raw exhaust note of Alonso's Ferrari during FP2 before his spin? It sounded like they were running a different engine map aimed at blowing the diffuser when the engine was not under load.

There has been some speculation that this is a big part of RB's advantage in Qualy and it is not run in the race due to the significant amount of fuel it burns, which is obviously not an issue in Qualy.

Good to see the team pushing on some new developments, just hope it brings success and soon. We need to get on the 2nd row (or better) of the grid consistently in order to challenge for wins.

[Dragonfly]

I think this is not new, they used special engine maps (retarded ignition as it is believed) already last year.

[Italiano Tifoso]

I think this is not new, they used special engine maps (retarded ignition as it is believed) already last year.

Yesi am aware of this, however this sounded much different and was only run briefly in FP2 and not again during the weekend.

[Rudex]

I think this is not new, they used special engine maps (retarded ignition as it is believed) already last year.

Yesi am aware of this, however this sounded much different and was only run briefly in FP2 and not again during the weekend.

Yes, I only noticed it on FP1. check video:
http://www.lasexta.com/sextatv/formula1 ... uia/418883
54min off, you can hear clearly.

[Richard]

Did anyone notice the raw exhaust note of Alonso's Ferrari during FP2 before his spin?

I saw on the replays that his spin occurred the instant he switched on KERS. Obviously not enough rear grip so the extra torque blew away the traction.

[Italiano Tifoso]

Yes but that was on exit so not down to the engine mapping test, more down to a lack of rear downforce. Which is probably more of an issue.

I would be interested to see how their corner entry and apex speeds varied during the engine mapping test as i think this is where the main advantage would be and also under braking i would imagine.

[Lorenzo_Bandini]

Ferrari teste la peau de requin

Une petite innovation est passée inaperçue en Turquie : Ferrari a testé sous la lame principale de son aileron avant un revêtement type peau de requin pour améliorer l’écoulement de l’air et réduire la trainée.

Ce revêtement est du même type que les combinaisons, maintenant interdites, des nageurs.

Google traduction

A small innovation has gone unnoticed in Turkey: Ferrari has tested under the main blade of his front wing, a coating type sharkskin to improve airflow and reduce drag.

This coating is the same type as the combinations, now banned swimmers.

http://motorsport.nextgen-auto.com/L-ac ... 23069.html

[bhall]

I wondered years and years ago if such a feature had a place in F1.

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=2225&p=22367&hilit=riblets#p22367

(I wonder if that topic was started by a budding race driver with a knack for overtaking.)

Glad to see something come of it!

(And where are you DaveKillens?)

[bot6]

And I thought I was making a joke when I mentioned shark-skin paint...
With a shark skin and a shark fin, maybe they should bring back the Jordan shark teeth paintjob too...

[Mr.G]

A small innovation has gone unnoticed in Turkey: Ferrari has tested under the main blade of his front wing, a coating type sharkskin to improve airflow and reduce drag.

This coating is the same type as the combinations, now banned swimmers.

http://motorsport.nextgen-auto.com/L-ac ... 23069.html

I had these idea few years ago, but I wasn't able to get some e-mail to Aldo But I'm happy they try it