Ferrari 150° Italia

[ESPImperium]

NEW CHASSIS; Alonso - 290. Massa keeps using 289 as he has used all season, Alonso has used 288 for the year to date.

On that, id recon that Massa will have a new chassis at Silverstone and Alonso will get his second new chassis arround Monza or Singapore, and Massa one round later than Alonso as per Ferrari tradition for #1 driver to get the nhew chassis first.

[Pierce89]

by looking at the photo it seems Ferrari have moved their exhausts inboard and no longer targeting the same region as the red bull

The opposite of your opposite really. IF you look in the plan view of the RedBull, the exhaust come from inboard to outboard. The previous Ferrari exhaust was all outboard, so with that said, Ferrari are making the exhaust even more like RedBull's.

+1 it would seem you are indeed correct.

[forty-two]

Why do I get the feeling that the special exhaust collector pictured, features a one way valve.

We last saw this add-on to the exhaust system just before Catalunya when the previous ban was supposed to be enforced. Now we see a race ebfore the final ban comes into force.

I guess this would be a valve that maintained back pressure when the exhaust was blowing, but on the over-run the valve would open to allow ambient air to pass down along the secondary pipe to act like a "cold blown" engine mapping. Thus creating a slightly more consistent exhaust gas flow, for less sensitive aero.

I am not entirely sure I know exactly which part you're referring to there Scarbs..

What struck me when I first saw an image like this (some months back) was that there were actually three things which were present which could be there for a special reason.

1. There seems to be a device which would draw in air as the exhaust gas flows down the pipe. I can't remember the proper word for it (aspirator??), but it's an idea used on the Airbus A380's emergency slides where a pyrotechnic device (rocket) fires into a pipe, but the aspirator also draws in air from around the pipe to increase the volume of the flow. This would surely be handy to both augment the flow and perhaps also reduce the average temperature of the gases exiting the pipe.
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2. Upstream of this device, there seems to be a thin pipe or mineral insulated cable connected. Granted, this could very well simply be a lambda sensor, but I wonder if there is actually anything in the rules which would prevent them having say, a sparking plug there, whose job was to ignite any fuel/air which made it into the pipe?

3. Adjacent to No.2, there seems to be what looks like a pipe connected to the exhaust. Could they actually be bypassing the engine altogether and injecting fuel directly into the exhaust pipe when the engine is off throttle?

I know the above (especially 2 and 3) sound a bit potty, but I don't know the rules well enough to know that any of these would specifically be prohibited. Can anyone advise?

[Lorenzo_Bandini]

They are some rumors that said Tim Densham ( Renault 05&06 and LRGP) will move to Ferrari, perhaps Tombazis will be out or he will move to aero department.

[scarbs]

I've heard from a reliable source, Denshams reason for leaving isnt to go to another team.

[mep]

Quite interesting picture.
Just a couple days before I thought if those long exhausts are bad for resonance tuning of a high revving engine. I wonder if it is possible to reduce the length the shockwave has to travel by creating a diameter jump in the pipe. By this two separate pipes are created which can be tuned to each other so that the exhaust seems to be shorter than it really is.



Albeit this reminds me of a jet pump or even more insane of a pulse jet.

[donskar]

Just a thought -- some US header manufacturers use a vaguely similar design, supposedly to increase mid-range torque (?)

[bar555]

NEW CHASSIS; Alonso - 290. Massa keeps using 289 as he has used all season, Alonso has used 288 for the year to date.

On that, id recon that Massa will have a new chassis at Silverstone and Alonso will get his second new chassis arround Monza or Singapore, and Massa one round later than Alonso as per Ferrari tradition for #1 driver to get the nhew chassis first.

ESPImperium , glad to see your chassis usage updates .I am sure that your detailed charts reveal a lot on chassis fatigue depending on the mileage, allowing you to support your argument and predictions . Well done friend for your painful effort which i reckon to be highly professional .

[amouzouris]

Do we know what are the upgrades Ferrari is going to bring for Silverstone??

[Lorenzo_Bandini]

A lot of changes at the back of the car ( suspension, rear wing, exhaust )and perhaps a new floor

[bizadfar]

I was thinking the same thing. This will probably be moved to another thread, but the rules certainly state fully lifts, so there is absolutely a work around. But in doing so, the driver is fully taking action to change the aerodynamics of the car, so I think they may get dinged there.

I disagree. If that were the case, then hypothetically speaking, using the exhaust for any aerodynamic advantage would be banned ...
It's going to be the same thing with turbos, are you going to ban drivers who are able to hold more boost/response through a corner?
The same thing goes with the periscope exhausts Ferrari pioneered almost a decade ago. Ie, not going to happen.


Btw, in 2008, Raikkonen was the first to get new chassis.

[Lorenzo_Bandini]

I was thinking the same thing. This will probably be moved to another thread, but the rules certainly state fully lifts, so there is absolutely a work around. But in doing so, the driver is fully taking action to change the aerodynamics of the car, so I think they may get dinged there.

I disagree. If that were the case, then hypothetically speaking, using the exhaust for any aerodynamic advantage would be banned ...
It's going to be the same thing with turbos, are you going to ban drivers who are able to hold more boost/response through a corner?
The same thing goes with the periscope exhausts Ferrari pioneered almost a decade ago. Ie, not going to happen.


Btw, in 2008, Raikkonen was the first to get new chassis.

Yes, remember the F60

[amouzouris]

New DRS mechanism?? http://www.sutton-images.com/preview.as ... &count=117

[Lorenzo_Bandini]

Yes, it's the same that Renault and RB it's seems

[amouzouris]

yeah thats what i thought!!